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re: All you that hate NIL, transfers, etc. how do you not see the hypocrisy you're displaying?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:19 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:19 pm to Tiger on the Rag
quote:It is what it is. It’s not something that can happen over night but we probably need to decouple the minor league aspect from the NCAA/scholastic model anyway, and let the true free market determine which one survives.
I just hate to see the college game become the minor league for the NFL
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:19 pm to LSUTiger2000
The Rant plays host to some of the lowest IQ users this site has to offer. It’s the minority for sure but it can be glorious.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:19 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Its stupid. Get a minor league football league for this nonsense and keep college football as amateurs.
Its ruining the traditions and loyalty that made college football better than pro. Now it'll all be the same
That is fine...but don't complain when LSU v. Alabama looks like this because all of the best talent is playing minor league ball
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:20 pm to LSUTiger2000
I am all for capitalism, but there should be some common sense rules to protect the sport as well. What those are exactly needs to be worked out.
Some ideas...
The transfer portal should be dead once fall practice starts until some date close to the Spring Semester starting. Players can't go immediately to another school anyway so no need to have that distraction or temptation during the season. If you want to quit on your team, that is just fine. Just keep the portal closed.
Players should have to sit a year like they did before if they transfer. Schools are committing resources to the kids in the form of a roster spot, tuition, room and board, training etc. There must be some sort of penalty if you bail. Would we be ok with teams cutting players a month into the year and pulling their scholarship and kicking them out of school? Of course not. There must be some sort of mutual agreement for the betterment of the sport.
Some ideas...
The transfer portal should be dead once fall practice starts until some date close to the Spring Semester starting. Players can't go immediately to another school anyway so no need to have that distraction or temptation during the season. If you want to quit on your team, that is just fine. Just keep the portal closed.
Players should have to sit a year like they did before if they transfer. Schools are committing resources to the kids in the form of a roster spot, tuition, room and board, training etc. There must be some sort of penalty if you bail. Would we be ok with teams cutting players a month into the year and pulling their scholarship and kicking them out of school? Of course not. There must be some sort of mutual agreement for the betterment of the sport.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:20 pm to Tiger on the Rag
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Can't blame the kids, but you have to admit the NIL will ruin college football without strict regulations. (example: Travis Hunter to Prime Time from Florida State his dream school. No hypocrisy here, I just hate to see the college game become the minor league for the NFL.
College Football has always been Minor League of the NFL. NFL and NCAA also came together to force football players to stay in college at least three years before going pro.
Not because of health, it's because of money for NCAA schools.
The kids are finally able to get paid off their likeness.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:21 pm to CP3LSU25
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frick you all for ruining college football. Go watch the nfl if you want this shite
You are waaay off on this comment.
The NFL does a much better job at maintaining a competitive landscape with the draft, salary cap, etc.
There are zero protections built into today's college game. As such, you have teams that will simply buy the players that are the best.
Even with recruiting out of high school, there was a legitimate skill involved in identifying which players would transition into elite college players.
This is different. In this world, teams that identify and successfully recruit those talents reap no rewards because the teams with the most money will simply outbid everyone else after it becomes apparent someone is elite.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:21 pm to moneyg
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I think a level playing field is much better for the product
Sounds like something a LOSER would say.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:22 pm to LaTexSaint
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The kids are finally able to get paid off their likeness.
This has nothing to do with likeness. This is purely pay for play.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:ok how about penalty for signing a transfer
2. Coaches usually don't pay that - their new employer does.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Anyone who equates anything to do with the NCAA and college athletics as "the free market" is a moron not worthy of debate.
They are free to make money off their name, image and likeness. Just like any other college student. Why should their be restrictions? Honestly, y’all sound like a bunch of commie bootlickers
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:31 pm to moneyg
frick the nfl. I don’t care or want any of it in college football. Did I stutter
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:33 pm to TigerDat
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So what are the players buyout costs??? Because coaches have consequences for leaving before the end of their commitment.
Coaches sign multi-year contracts. The scholarship offer is a renewable 1 year agreement which can be rescinded by the institution for any reason with no recourse on the part of the student.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:34 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Sounds like something a LOSER would say
There is a middle ground.
Those boo-hooing about the "loss of amateur athletics" are missing the boat completely. College football LONG ago stopped being a "scholarly extra-curricular" activity and became a multi-million dollar business. For a long time the only people in the business model who weren't being fully compensated for their work was the players. The school generated millions in revenue via ticket sales, TV contracts, bowl tie in's, etc. Coaches' salaries continue to rise at astronomic levels. The people who are now angry out NIL are the ones pretending college football isn't a big entertainment business.
However, the NFL has shown parity can be really good for the game as a whole. Could NFL certain NFL players make more if there was no salary cap? Absolutely. But the parity is what keeps more people interested as opposed to sports like the NBA and MLB where a handful of teams are the ones that accumulate, through big spending, all the best talent. The thing that keeps the smaller market teams somewhat competitive in that scenario is they can develop young talent and hang on to it for at least some period of time because of a contract between the player and team. As it stands now in CFB any player can automatically become a "free agent" at any time.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:34 pm to OKtiger
quote:It’s moot now anyway since the NCAA caved, but they were free to do this before the change. The inconvenient truth is that the free market doesn’t actually give a shite about the product of 18-22 year old athletics unless it’s tied to a school or NCAA brand. Most NIL value is derived from the NCAA affiliation, not in spite of it.
They are free to make money off their name, image and likeness. Just like any other college student.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:41 pm to lsufb1912
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I said in the same post that Tari Eason is not a quitter. That was an upgrade for him
Glad that you make the decisions on what’s an upgrade for an individual. So all those 5 stars that are choosing A&M this year are downgrading themselves right?
You guys who say it’s ruining college football - ruining it for who? The fans? Probably not ruining it for the players. If it is for you, take your viewership and dollars and don’t support it. But you nor the masses will. You’re hooked.
And all these guys sympathetic to the coaches for having to manage - buck up. You get multi million dollar contracts and buyouts - deal with some of this stuff.
And to the poster who said you can’t use the capitalist argument, that’s BS. In our capitalist society we encourage people to make money off themselves or their work, as opposed to just be given a handout. The market dictates your value and more power to these players. There will be a market reset at some point.
The reason you guys are saying it’s ruining it for you is because it’s not benefiting LSU at this time. If BK brings in strong transfers and signs people because we get our NIL in order, the comments will be quiet and you’ll support whoever comes in.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:47 pm to CP3LSU25
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frick the nfl. I don’t care or want any of it in college football. Did I stutter
I hate to break it to you, but aspects of the NFL are already in CFB...and have been for a long time. The reality is the NFL and CFB are BOTH nothing more than multi-million dollar ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES. BOTH generate most of their revenue from tickets sales and multi-million dollar TV contracts. The only real difference now is the NFL is more regulated.
In the NFL the players reap financial benefit drawn from the revenue generated by demand to watch their skill/labor. In college, they don't. And the ONLY reason is because the colleges simply would not allow it. NIL came about because, quite simply, that restriction was anti-capitalist.
It all makes sense when adjust your perspective to accept reality and see CFB for what it really is...a multi-million dollar business masquerading as an "academic extracurricular activity"
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:47 pm to TigerDat
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So what are the players buyout costs??? Because coaches have consequences for leaving before the end of their commitment. What's the players consequence? It used to be sitting a year
So a coach not honoring say a 5-10 year deal is the same as a player not accepting their next yearly scholarship
That’s some mental gymnastics
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:49 pm to MOT
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It is what it is. It’s not something that can happen over night but we probably need to decouple the minor league aspect from the NCAA/scholastic model anyway, and let the true free market determine which one survives.
Do you think 80 K+ people would show up for a minor league football team's game in Baton Rouge or Shreveport or Birmingham?
30 K attendees? 40 K? 50 K?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:49 pm to LSUTiger2000
quote:Since the NCAA was so flawed and unfair, why didn’t the athletes just take their chances elsewhere in the market en masse?
The market dictates your value
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is bullshite. There is nothing anti-capitalism about a private organization, the NCAA, having rules that promote parity.
So you don’t support a private organization’s right to make the decision? Sounds very anti-capitalist.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 1:50 pm
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