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Silicon Valley Bank, Has it caused rethink regards your cash stash at home

Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:15 pm


Because it was a commercial banks, lots of smaller companies have been stuck with loss of ability to process payments/salaries. Etsy entrepreneurs in particular have had payments cut off.

Should folks keep a weeks expense in cash and use credit cards in the event of being cut off? Is a months worth of cash appropriate? The value of your emergency food supply and ammunition inventory, is it greater than your cash, in house reserve?
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
3576 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:17 pm to
Unless you have more than 250k in cash at a single bank, it makes little sense.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:20 pm to
No. Always keep 3-4 months cash on hand. You won’t retire early on this amount sitting anywhere else and if SHTF (EMP for example) you won’t be for worse with legal tender in your possession
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14039 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:23 pm to
What exactly happened to cause this failure?
Need more specific than esg explanation.
Posted by tigers win2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3891 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

What exactly happened to cause this failure? Need more specific than esg explanation.


The bet very heavily on longer term treasuries. Yield curve inverted and they lost a lot.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8724 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:26 pm to

Etsy entrepreneurs do not have 250 thousand account dollar balances frozen. They are not getting paid because Etsy accounts at SVB were frozen, preventing them from processing payments to entrepreneurs ,
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39250 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Should folks keep a weeks expense in cash and use credit cards in the event of being cut off? Is a months worth of cash appropriate?


People should always have some savings and an emergency credit card.

As far as sticking cash in the mattress / safe? The deposits are insured up to 250K which is PLENTY for the vast, vast majority of people. The FDIC makes insured deposits available by the next banking day.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
9029 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:47 pm to
The FDIC would be totally incapable of handling a nationwide run on banks.
I hope you’ll never count on a govt agency to “guarantee” your money’s safety/availability.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7048 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:47 pm to
If banks fail, cash won't last long.

It will ove to crypto or bargaining.

Cash is worthless.
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Unless you have more than 250k in cash at a single bank, it makes little sense.

You think FDIC is going to make good fast enough to keep you from going out of biz?
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1609 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:58 pm to
OP, Youre on the right path. Lawlessness and Inflation are Biden's new evil tools. And cant be beaten if both continue to rise. Vote Smarter at least.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3416 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:02 pm to
Banks have to diversify and hold bonds…
A percentage of their assets

Bond yields were very low past few years or paid above par vale for one’s with decent yields.. 2ish yields..

Feds raised interest to normal rates after holding them low for so long buying votes.


So new bond yields are 4 plus for safe ones…

All those bonds SVP had from past lost value.. their clients got scared.. wanted their money..

They had to sell the bonds ( assets they have to have)… at a loss ..to give people their money… more people got scared.. sell more bonds etc..

Anyone with 250 k is fine but they were holding millions of dollars of tech companies money who needed it since their stock value is down 50 percent or more…

Individual holding bonds do not have to sell and can just keep their bonds till they mature and get paid back at par value from the company…
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39250 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

The FDIC would be totally incapable of handling a nationwide run on banks.


If there is a nationwide run on banks... we are totally and completely screwed. The world is just about done for at that point. We are talking total meltdown at that point.

So... it won't really matter.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47311 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

The FDIC would be totally incapable of handling a nationwide run on banks.

That’s not the purpose of the FDIC. The FDIC is not supposed to come up with ready cash to prevent a run from causing a bank to default on withdrawals. The FDIC is just supposed to insure your account. If you have $100k in a bank that gets run, and you can’t get your money out, the FDIC will make good on it - but not immediately.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
9029 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

If you have $100k in a bank that gets run, and you can’t get your money out, the FDIC will make good on it - but not immediately.


lmao!
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
54805 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Silicon Valley Bank, Has it caused rethink regards your cash stash at home


Not really. I'm not sure what my cash would be worth if banks collapsed.
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
18887 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:26 pm to
It won't matter when they digitize all currency to the Fed Coin. Your money will be worthless and what you have in the bank/IRA will be worth 30 cents on the dollar. That's why the super elite are amassing MILLIONS, it won't hurt them after they fleece the upper and middle class. That's the plan, the elites and the plebs.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6240 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:36 pm to
They’ll get bailed out.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31200 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

What exactly happened to cause this failure?
Need more specific than esg explanation.

They were negatively invested

When woke companies started treading financial water, they went to get their cash to pay bills. SVB couldnt get it quick enough. They went $1.8B in debt selling their bonds cheap to raise capital

Then they made it public they need $2.25B to stay afloat. This caused a run of $42B against the bank. Their assets were then seized

And now back to ESG. They spent $5B on ESG. They were shuttered over being in debt $2.25B. What do you think caused them to go broke?
Posted by Chinese Bandit Boy
Member since Jun 2021
717 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

Unless you have more than 250k in cash at a single bank, it makes little sense.


Wrong. Things have changed drastically since the 2007 - 2008 financial crisis. Banks can convert their debt into equity to increase their capital requirements. The Dodd-Frank Act gives banks the right to confiscate deposits in excess of the $250,000 protection provided by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and use them as needed. Retirees who receive a pension are subject to this confiscation of funds as well. As a pension-receiving retiree depending on checking and savings account funds, you could find yourself in a vulnerable position.

Also, banks are authorized to cease operations and control withdrawals.

The FDIC has billions of dollars to insure trillions in deposits. Just like any other insurance claim, you will be dealing with an adjuster regarding how much and when you will receive your insured deposits.

There are going to be a lot of surprised and pissed off citizens who are going to learn abut the changes the hard way. They will be saying "how could this happen in America." You ain't seen nothing yet.
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