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RIP Norman Lear
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:55 am to LuckySo-n-So
Wow, no idea he was still alive. Produced comedies when you could still be funny. RIP
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:13 am to LuckySo-n-So
Eh, never liked him or his shows, with their oozingly smug patina of liberal condescension, and their cheap videotaped appearance. Sitcoms used to look so beautifully produced, shot in 35mm, but Lear utilized videotape, combined with the era's awful maize colored earth-tones. Dreary as hell, and set a miserable trend. I even remember "Hot L Baltimore." Just horrid, and grossly obnoxious. Lear was buoyed by some talented writers, but he sure derailed television and set it on the course of both trashiness and hyper-politicization. I really hate his legacy, because tv turned into such a noxious, caustic sewer in his wake.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:16 am to LuckySo-n-So
He flew 52 combat missions in Europe in WWII.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:23 am to kywildcatfanone
I saw an interview with him a couple of years ago, and he was as sharp as ever and could have certainly passed for someone 20 years younger from a physical standpoint.
I think he was still writing and even hosting events well into his 90s.
I think he was still writing and even hosting events well into his 90s.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:25 am to Aeolian Vocalion
Screaming at the clouds, you are.
Lear was a television pioneer. You have to remember the state of tv and American culture at
the time.
Lear was a television pioneer. You have to remember the state of tv and American culture at
the time.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:29 am to LuckySo-n-So
He was still giving interviews very recently. Dude was still very sharp witted.
I still quote Sanford and Son (especially Grady) on a regular basis.
I still quote Sanford and Son (especially Grady) on a regular basis.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:31 am to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:He wasn't alone, but yeah.
he sure derailed television and set it on the course of both trashiness and hyper-politicization. I really hate his legacy, because tv turned into such a noxious, caustic sewer in his wake.
I worked for a woman who was once one of his producers. That's all I got.

Posted on 12/6/23 at 2:07 pm to LuckySo-n-So
He took television from 2d and made it 3d. He changed the conversation, made us a little uncomfortable and laugh while doing it. He showed us ourselves instead of imaginary characters. A legend.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 2:26 pm to BigAppleTiger
Norman’s up there with Weezy , George, Edith and Archie.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 4:34 pm to madmaxvol
I quote Fred’s “this is the big one” from time to time.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 11:22 pm to VOR
Well, let me put this another way. Take away the superficiality of cheap, tacky-looking production values and the innate visual ugliness of the era in terms of fashion, decor, set design and whatnot. Take away the boorish soapbox speechifyin' in the dialogue (and I do loath heavy-handed ideological 'messaging' in my entertainment.
Take all that away. Do you know what I really disliked about Lear's product, as exemplified by "All in the Family," "Maude," "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "One Day at a Time," and whatnot? I hated all the screaming, shouting characters and their endless dysfunction and neurosis. And all those calculatedly 'dramatic' pauses before commercial breaks. Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life, and I sure as hell don't want them in my entertainment. Those series ultimately came across to me as long, haranguing whine-fests. Sort of the embodiment of that whole inward-looking, self-indulgent "Me Generation" culture of that era. It had manifested itself in drama programming earlier on, but Lear brought it into the comedy genre in the early-1970s. Whiney, neurotic, insufferable stuff. The antithesis of what I seek in entertainment.
Take all that away. Do you know what I really disliked about Lear's product, as exemplified by "All in the Family," "Maude," "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "One Day at a Time," and whatnot? I hated all the screaming, shouting characters and their endless dysfunction and neurosis. And all those calculatedly 'dramatic' pauses before commercial breaks. Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life, and I sure as hell don't want them in my entertainment. Those series ultimately came across to me as long, haranguing whine-fests. Sort of the embodiment of that whole inward-looking, self-indulgent "Me Generation" culture of that era. It had manifested itself in drama programming earlier on, but Lear brought it into the comedy genre in the early-1970s. Whiney, neurotic, insufferable stuff. The antithesis of what I seek in entertainment.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:02 am to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:
Aeolian Vocalion
A world without Fred going at it with Aunt Esther is not a world I want to exist.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:12 am to madmaxvol
quote:
I still quote Sanford and Son
I still say “I’ll be damned” when something bad happens to me because of that show.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:22 am to Aeolian Vocalion
Anyopne who dislikes Sanford and Son is not worth knowing
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:18 pm to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:I imagine your house is devoid of mirrors.
Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life
For the sane posters, yes Sanford and Son is an all time great and easily remains in my top 10 even after all this time.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:59 am to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:
Do you know what I really disliked about Lear's product, as exemplified by "All in the Family," "Maude," "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "One Day at a Time," and whatnot? I hated all the screaming, shouting characters and their endless dysfunction and neurosis. And all those calculatedly 'dramatic' pauses before commercial breaks. Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life, and I sure as hell don't want them in my entertainment. Those series ultimately came across to me as long, haranguing whine-fests. Sort of the embodiment of that whole inward-looking, self-indulgent "Me Generation" culture of that era. It had manifested itself in drama programming earlier on, but Lear brought it into the comedy genre in the early-1970s. Whiney, neurotic, insufferable stuff. The antithesis of what I seek in entertainment.

Especially the part about everyone screaming at each other. That's what I always remember the most about those shows. That and all of the kids being smartasses to their parents.

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