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RIP Norman Lear

Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:30 am
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
Member since Jul 2005
22323 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:30 am
A true Giant

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This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 7:39 am
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
16714 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:54 am to
He’s moving on up.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130462 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:55 am to
Wow, no idea he was still alive. Produced comedies when you could still be funny. RIP
Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
Texas
Member since Jul 2022
388 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:13 am to
Eh, never liked him or his shows, with their oozingly smug patina of liberal condescension, and their cheap videotaped appearance. Sitcoms used to look so beautifully produced, shot in 35mm, but Lear utilized videotape, combined with the era's awful maize colored earth-tones. Dreary as hell, and set a miserable trend. I even remember "Hot L Baltimore." Just horrid, and grossly obnoxious. Lear was buoyed by some talented writers, but he sure derailed television and set it on the course of both trashiness and hyper-politicization. I really hate his legacy, because tv turned into such a noxious, caustic sewer in his wake.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53356 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:16 am to
He flew 52 combat missions in Europe in WWII.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
32556 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:23 am to
I saw an interview with him a couple of years ago, and he was as sharp as ever and could have certainly passed for someone 20 years younger from a physical standpoint.

I think he was still writing and even hosting events well into his 90s.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
65772 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:25 am to
Screaming at the clouds, you are.
Lear was a television pioneer. You have to remember the state of tv and American culture at
the time.
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
20938 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:29 am to
He was still giving interviews very recently. Dude was still very sharp witted.

I still quote Sanford and Son (especially Grady) on a regular basis.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60551 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:31 am to
quote:

he sure derailed television and set it on the course of both trashiness and hyper-politicization. I really hate his legacy, because tv turned into such a noxious, caustic sewer in his wake.
He wasn't alone, but yeah.

I worked for a woman who was once one of his producers. That's all I got.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10710 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 2:07 pm to
He took television from 2d and made it 3d. He changed the conversation, made us a little uncomfortable and laugh while doing it. He showed us ourselves instead of imaginary characters. A legend.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
12419 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 2:26 pm to
Norman’s up there with Weezy , George, Edith and Archie.
Posted by Ziippy
Member since Aug 2023
1238 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 4:34 pm to
I quote Fred’s “this is the big one” from time to time.
Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
Texas
Member since Jul 2022
388 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 11:22 pm to
Well, let me put this another way. Take away the superficiality of cheap, tacky-looking production values and the innate visual ugliness of the era in terms of fashion, decor, set design and whatnot. Take away the boorish soapbox speechifyin' in the dialogue (and I do loath heavy-handed ideological 'messaging' in my entertainment.

Take all that away. Do you know what I really disliked about Lear's product, as exemplified by "All in the Family," "Maude," "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "One Day at a Time," and whatnot? I hated all the screaming, shouting characters and their endless dysfunction and neurosis. And all those calculatedly 'dramatic' pauses before commercial breaks. Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life, and I sure as hell don't want them in my entertainment. Those series ultimately came across to me as long, haranguing whine-fests. Sort of the embodiment of that whole inward-looking, self-indulgent "Me Generation" culture of that era. It had manifested itself in drama programming earlier on, but Lear brought it into the comedy genre in the early-1970s. Whiney, neurotic, insufferable stuff. The antithesis of what I seek in entertainment.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5709 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:02 am to
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Aeolian Vocalion





A world without Fred going at it with Aunt Esther is not a world I want to exist.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
14562 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:12 am to
quote:

I still quote Sanford and Son


I still say “I’ll be damned” when something bad happens to me because of that show.
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
5421 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:22 am to
Anyopne who dislikes Sanford and Son is not worth knowing
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
42891 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:18 pm to
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Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life
I imagine your house is devoid of mirrors.

For the sane posters, yes Sanford and Son is an all time great and easily remains in my top 10 even after all this time.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60551 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:59 am to
quote:

Do you know what I really disliked about Lear's product, as exemplified by "All in the Family," "Maude," "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," "One Day at a Time," and whatnot? I hated all the screaming, shouting characters and their endless dysfunction and neurosis. And all those calculatedly 'dramatic' pauses before commercial breaks. Ugh. I hate dysfunctional people. I hate people full of angst. I hate drama queens. I don't like them in real-life, and I sure as hell don't want them in my entertainment. Those series ultimately came across to me as long, haranguing whine-fests. Sort of the embodiment of that whole inward-looking, self-indulgent "Me Generation" culture of that era. It had manifested itself in drama programming earlier on, but Lear brought it into the comedy genre in the early-1970s. Whiney, neurotic, insufferable stuff. The antithesis of what I seek in entertainment.
My god, that was beautiful.

Especially the part about everyone screaming at each other. That's what I always remember the most about those shows. That and all of the kids being smartasses to their parents.
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