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re: Would you be ok with Woodward hiring a coach with a .646 career winning percentage....
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:53 am to DomincDecoco
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:53 am to DomincDecoco
We all know that the coach in this scenario is Kiffin.
I would not be OK with it. I would be ecstatic about it.
Because I understand context and know what has actually happened during his career.
You can't boil this down to one stat.
I would not be OK with it. I would be ecstatic about it.
Because I understand context and know what has actually happened during his career.
You can't boil this down to one stat.
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:54 am to DomincDecoco
You do have a point. He really only had one good year at USC
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I don’t think it’s clear cut at all. I think they can both do well here and both have some bigger question marks than the top tier candidates.
this we can agree with.
personally imo
Napier is a great HC and decent OC
Kiffen is decent HC and great OC
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:31 pm to lsu777
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Napier is a great HC and decent OC
Kiffen is decent HC and great OC
Probably the best I've seen this put.
You even properly misspelled Kiffin to piss off his fans.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 1:46 pm to BhamTigah
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Kiffen is decent HC and great OC
Kiffin took over a train-wreck program during Covid and has them in the top 10 in year two - with a Heisman candidate QB. If that's not impressive, I'm not sure what would be.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:07 pm to lsu777
Scotty is not making Napier the coach here. He will go big like he has everywhere else and won! He will back up the brinks truck and get one of his tier 1 coaches. Money always talks.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:29 pm to DomincDecoco
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Lane Kiffin has no business being in the discussion for this job IF Woodward is looking at everyone and anyone for the best candidate.
if you are making that determination solely on one factor that's extremely short sighted
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:44 pm to DomincDecoco
I'm more concerned with
1) Winning percentage over last 3-4 seasons
2) Winning percentage compared to the prior coach he took over for.
But 7-5, 8-4 seasons is not what I'm looking for unless it's from a program that historically has 2-10 seasons.
1) Winning percentage over last 3-4 seasons
2) Winning percentage compared to the prior coach he took over for.
But 7-5, 8-4 seasons is not what I'm looking for unless it's from a program that historically has 2-10 seasons.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:55 pm to DomincDecoco
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Would you be ok with Woodward hiring a coach with a .646 career winning percentage.
Mel Tucker .538
Lane Kiffin .642
Aranda .50
Fickell .69
Napier .739
Looks like Napier is the choice.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:56 pm to DomincDecoco
Anyone who thinks this method of evaluating coaches is indicative of their true value has no business discussing anything on this board.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:57 pm to DomincDecoco
This sounds like Sonny Dykes.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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There’s no way you can say Napier is a clear cut better choice than Lane
Whats Kiffin done exactly other than leave disaster in his wake?
What has he won? What program has he executed his plan? Wheres the consistency?
Napier has all of that, but people won't admit that because Kiffin love is like a cult man.
Dude is a phenomenal O coordinator but hasn't done anything as a head coach to deserve consideration For the lsu job....other than be a popular and effective recruiter...kinda like "he talks like us 2.0"
Edit- lsu recruits itself...especially if they're winning
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:44 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Anyone who thinks this method of evaluating coaches is indicative of their true value has no business discussing anything on this board.
Tell Me the criteria then hoss!!!
You're either underrating the job, or overrating that candidate without acknowledging a more consistent coach with a similar record
Eta - and none of the drama
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:49 pm to DomincDecoco
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Whats Kiffin done exactly other than leave disaster in his wake?
Where has he gone that wasn’t already a disaster?
We’re iust gonna pretend that USC didn’t just have a title stripped and 33 scholarships docked?
We’re gonna pretend that Al Davis was a skeleton running a franchise into the ground?
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:53 pm to SammyTiger
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Where has he gone that wasn’t already a disaster?
We’re iust gonna pretend that USC didn’t just have a title stripped and 33 scholarships docked?
We’re gonna pretend that Al Davis was a skeleton running a franchise into the ground?
So just ignore it and go off 3 seasons at FAU and a 27-13 record and 11-6 at Ole Miss?
This is the resume of the guy you want as the next LSU coach???
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:54 pm to DomincDecoco
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So just ignore it and go off 3 seasons at FAU and a 27-13 record
You mean 2 of the most successful seasons at FAU ever?
You want to ignore the fact that the team hadn’t won 4 games since 2013? Or 10+ games since they were in the FCS?
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11-6 at Ole Miss?
Again, took a 2-6 SEC team and went 4-5 in year 1 and is 6-1 in year 2.
And counting.
He’s quickly improved 2 programs in the past 5 years and been an elite OC at Alabama.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:57 pm to SammyTiger
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You mean 2 of the most successful seasons at FAU ever?
Ok so that's the criteria then?
Hows Napier's seasons stack up at lowely ULL?
I'm not advocating for Napier to get the job - it's too prestigious and candidates like Riley and Dabo are (rightfully) the target.
But if you're talking tier 2, i welcome a discussion as to why you think Lane is head and shoulders above Napier.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:10 pm to DomincDecoco
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Tell Me the criteria then hoss!!!
you look deeper than just one cherry picked data point.
You don't have to like Kiffin, you can think there are other better candidates but just looking at a number with zero context is both lazy and a poor way to evaluate someone.
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Whats Kiffin done exactly other than leave disaster in his wake?
this just shows you are just personally biased against him. Where exactly has he left "disaster"
I think its fair to say (and i thought this at the time) that he got his first HC jobs too soon because of his name. I don't hold the Raiders against him (they fired Mike Shannan after 20 games too). Tenneesee was 5-7 the year before he was hired and he went 7-6. Not earth shattering but he did play the #1 team twice and lost to Fla by 10 and Bama by 2 and was attempting a game winning FG that was blocked. They were pissed off he left so hard to say he left disaster. He did not do well at USC, but didn't have a losing season either and did have 1 10-2 year He was taking over after NCAA sanctions were coming that occurred on Carrolls watch.
Since then he went to Bama and was a dominant OC, as they updated their offense, went to FAU they were 3-9 the year before he was hired and he went 11-3 year 1, then 5-7 and 11-3. OM had 4 years of 5-7, 6-6, 5-7, 4-8 before he was hired, after 5-5 in covid year he's now 6-1 ranked #10. Its simply dishonest to say he's been terrible or left only disaster.
Again you can like other candidate better, hell you can not like him because he's a douche or for his off field stuff but spinning like you are doing is just biased
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 10/26/21 at 5:20 pm to DomincDecoco
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So just ignore it and go off 3 seasons at FAU and a 27-13 record and 11-6 at Ole Miss?
are you being intentional obtuse.
Why wouldn't the last decade of his career be more relevant?
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Hows Napier's seasons stack up at lowely ULL?
Comparable to Kiffin at FAU but Hudspeth did have success at ULL from 2011-2014. FAU had 7 losing seasons and 1 6-6 the 8 years before Kiffin got there.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:00 pm to lukestar
A peek at LSU's last 11 hires.
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