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Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:04 pm to nvasil1
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I never said that. I just said it's creepy. Which it is, and explains the downvotes. "He coached under Saban." "He talks exactly like Saban." "He believes in the process like Saban.
I am not a fan of all that either.
They are doing the same thing to sell Mel Tucker as well.
All I care about is your production on the field. Not who you may have once worked under. Like people consider Aranda and Tucker similar risks. Well I personally prefer Aranda, because his resume impresses me more from previous jobs and statistics. The way he climbed to the top. Tucker gets more credit for who he was associated with. And of course all these coaches around him are going to speak well of him.
It’s all just opinions and gut feelings. Could very well be wrong.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:05 pm to CouldCareLess
quote:This might be the dumbest attempt to make a point I’ve ever seen on this board.
Doesn't matter - the crowd would be the same if they were Saturday night games.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:06 pm to kingbob
I would imagine very few "hate" him. They just hate the idea that some believe he should be among the top candidates for the job.
If LSU makes strong pushes for guys who have a great history of success at P5 schools and simply gets turned down by all, leaving Napier as the guy who eventually gets the job, then I think many could live with that. You tried to get a big name. You couldn't. So you got what appears to be an up and comer who has had success in your state/recruiting area. But you don't make the decision to commit $20 million + to make the current staff walk away, only to then rush out to hire the HC of the First Responder and Lending Tree Bowl champs. That is what Joe Alleva would do.
The hate is not against Napier personally. It's in response to the opinion that he should be among the top choices (some say the top choice)
If LSU makes strong pushes for guys who have a great history of success at P5 schools and simply gets turned down by all, leaving Napier as the guy who eventually gets the job, then I think many could live with that. You tried to get a big name. You couldn't. So you got what appears to be an up and comer who has had success in your state/recruiting area. But you don't make the decision to commit $20 million + to make the current staff walk away, only to then rush out to hire the HC of the First Responder and Lending Tree Bowl champs. That is what Joe Alleva would do.
The hate is not against Napier personally. It's in response to the opinion that he should be among the top choices (some say the top choice)
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The age old method of becoming a craftsman, is to start as an apprentice under a master.
There should be little Sabans all over the place.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:07 pm to Alt26
So we keep O?
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:15 pm to beauchristopher
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Valid concern, IMO. Have to be careful hiring these guys, but it’s never a sure thing with the more established guys either.
I agree. There’s never a sure thing with coaching hires. You could hire a coach that is consensus expected to do well and still not see success, but if you hire someone that has already had power 5 success at least they’ve been in that situation before. Even if it’s a lesser power 5 school, it’s still a different dynamic.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:17 pm to kingbob
I guess I’m not really the person this is geared towards, because I don’t downvote people for expressing opinions one way or the other. I don’t hate Napier at all. It could wind up being a huge success hiring him. He just strikes me as a similar hire to Herman/Fuente/Frost/Heupel. Not horrible to imagine, but unproductive long term. No one has said why he isn’t because there is no way to tell for sure prior to him getting a shot. As opposed to some of the bigger names out there who actually have competed in the big conferences. I’m just not sold or necessarily excited to believe that LSU is already willing to go that route.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:18 pm to Alt26
I said it worse than you did. Well illustrated.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:46 pm to kingbob
What rubs me the wrong way is his resume would come in around number 9-10 on the list (maybe even lower) of mentioned candidates yet somehow a fraction of this board and the local media are talking about him and treating as if he should be 1a or 1b. He should be like number 3 or 4 just in the group of 5 head coach tier based on resume.
This reeks as what happened with Ed orgeron. That is why (though somehow in the minority) people are very vocal against him because they don’t want the momentum started for him like happened with orgeron in 2016.
For pro Napier fans it feels familiar so they know him/his resume and they remember saban. The media they have contacts with ull and so they think they can get easier access since they know the guy/familiar with the guy.
This reeks as what happened with Ed orgeron. That is why (though somehow in the minority) people are very vocal against him because they don’t want the momentum started for him like happened with orgeron in 2016.
For pro Napier fans it feels familiar so they know him/his resume and they remember saban. The media they have contacts with ull and so they think they can get easier access since they know the guy/familiar with the guy.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:49 pm to Adam Banks
O got in by being on staff, being a good interim coach, a refresh from Miles, and maybe other things. The Miles situation change was a disaster
With a full search available now, it should be best man up
With a full search available now, it should be best man up
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:51 pm to kingbob
He checks every box for the questions asked above.
Experience: Good
Record: great
Recruiting: great
System:great
Off field issues: the dude lives down the street from me- good family man
Personality: everyone in Lafayette loves this man
Experience: Good
Record: great
Recruiting: great
System:great
Off field issues: the dude lives down the street from me- good family man
Personality: everyone in Lafayette loves this man
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:53 pm to Adam Banks
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What rubs me the wrong way is his resume would come in around number 9-10 on the list (maybe even lower) of mentioned candidates
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:53 pm to mjthe
I just can’t believe Woody goes against every search he’s ever done. We had lsu guys available for the baseball hire and woody went with a guy from Arizona. There’s no way he’s going to go against everything he’s ever done and hire a local boy just because he’s a local boy. And he’s not really a local boy. It’s going to be because he got to that point. That’s it.
You can’t let this presumed cult cloud your mind of what is the right hire. It may not be exactly what you want, but the process is being done properly.
You can’t let this presumed cult cloud your mind of what is the right hire. It may not be exactly what you want, but the process is being done properly.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:54 pm to mjthe
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With a full search available now, it should be best man up
This was said last time.
Certainly Ed being present on campus helped him. Certainly alleva being mentally weak and begging to be loved by the media is different than Woodward.
But the media like jordy etc is acting same as last time. Maybe directed to do it maybe not. Just ptsd that with all of the local media is mentioning his name along the likes of Franklin Riley Aranda etc then it makes it very easy for Scott to go to him if one or two strike outs.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:54 pm to abellsujr
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So we keep O?
Of course not.
You go out now and try to sell a big name coach on the job with both the promise of a big salary and likelihood of national championship success (only school in America in the last 20 years that has had 3 different HC's win championships).
But if you simply can't get one of them to say yes...then Napier may not be a bad choice in terms of second tier candidates.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:56 pm to kingbob
Who hates him? Most of us just aren’t “nuttin for Napier” and are being realistic.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:57 pm to abellsujr
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What does that have to do with whether or not he would be a good hire? Isn’t that the question?
No, the OP's question is "why do you hate Billy Napier?" I said no one does.
The downvotes and groaning he alluded to is because of the fanatical Saban comparisons, and the assumption the job is already his.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:58 pm to jvargas
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If he were coaching any other college right now, they wouldn't care.
Let’s say he was the head coach of any other school in the sunbelt besides ULL….do you think he would even be an option? The answer is No.
Napier is not from Louisiana and has zero ties to the state. And he is signing a bunch of three star players from Texas and out of state every year.
No thanks.
Posted on 10/22/21 at 2:59 pm to nvasil1
And I completely get being annoyed by that shite. I agree. I made a thread the other day that got anchored about Jordy campaigning for the guy. I don’t like it. But I don’t believe the process is not being done properly. This is not the hiring of Ed Orgeron.
This post was edited on 10/22/21 at 3:04 pm
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