re: why do people not like coach O

Lol. I said potential ceiling. The reason being his overall resume is much more impressive than O's to this point. I know you won't accept that, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Could he fail? Of course, but over the course of his OC and HC career he seems to have done quite well. Obviously losses are concerning, but O has many more. He also flopped at Ole Miss. Does it mean he flops at LSU? No.

Hence my statement:

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Herman has more mass appeal because of his potential ceiling

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I wont be carrying on this circular argument with you any further after this post, fyi. I understand you're ust trying to illicit some sort of anger out of me in my response. Just wanted to clarify i said potential. Not guaranteed.

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The guy just went from the #6 ranked undefeated team to unranked in three short weeks. I don't even think Miles ever did that !!!

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Uh, we were #2 in the country last year going into the Alabama game. We were unranked 3 games later

So your argument is that he can recruit well, but he couldn't find a way to match his talent level when he was actually coach until another came in after him and utilized the talent for a short while while it lasted?


What other situation do you think could possibly compare to that?

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he's beat big time programs at a non Power 5 conference

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Who has? The Herminator? His two big wins while at a non-power 5 were against FSU last year in a bowl game and Oklahoma the first game of this season.

FSU: Let me speculate like I have seen others in this thread do. Ha no, not going to tell you how much potential ceiling a person has (like I could really judge that by watching football games on TV).

No my speculation for the FSU game is that FSU the previous season had gone 13-1 with their only loss coming in the playoffs. Here a year later they find themselves in the Chik-Fil-A peach bowl on 12/31 against Houston. Let down? Maybe. LSU fans would be if that happened to LSU. Maybe had trouble getting up for Houston to end the season.

FSU is only 5-2 this year with there biggest wins against 4-3 Miami and close game against Ole Miss. Maybe Houston caught them at the beginning of a possible slide.

Oklahoma: Is Oklahoma really that good this year? I mean what is OU's most impressive win this year - Texas(3-4) 45-40 or TCU(4-3) 52-46? I know they beat Tx Tech 66-59 in a BASKETBALL game this past weekend.

Not too impressive to me. Losing to SMU cancels out both of those wins with the Navy loss and poor performance at Tulsa to spare.

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The reason being his overall resume is much more impressive

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His resume or Urban Meyer's resume?

Herman has been a head coach for how long?

I didn't realize he was the overall team coordinator for Ohio State. For some reason I just thought he did offense.

If any candidate for the LSU head coaching position has the potential to be a one-season-wonder it is Hermonster.

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Tell me how he coordinated a 3rd string QB to beat a Saban team, and go ahead and tell me how that doesn't count either. I'll wait

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Lol. Dude, you're in for a very frustrating night if you keep trying to entertain him. Like i said and he said it exactly like i called it " two losses to navy and smu erase it all." That's his while shtick. That and he doesn't like the kissing thing, but he's quiet on that tonight. Best to just move on.

His response to your saban question will be Urban Meyer gets the credit not Herman...and the circle will continue.

Eta: hahahahaha i called that shite on herman as OC didn't i? Oh wow. That's too funny.

Btw, just to warn you. If you ask him who he would want to coach or his top 3 then he will tell you he is not that arrogant to pick 3 people because he will wait for the season to play out.

He will do this while simultaneously telling you Herman shouldn't be the coach and that O's failures weren't his fault as evidenced in this thread. It's just a hopeless loop. Best to just ignore him because he will just loop back like a broken record with those two points and some dumb Herman puns.

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So your argument is that he can recruit well, but he couldn't find a way to match his talent level when he was actually coach until another came in after him and utilized the talent for a short while while it lasted?

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Yeah, pretty much. Not the first time it has happened and won't be the last. There is a long history in all levels of football of teams firing coaches to early. I brought up Pat Hill at Fresno State the other day and some guy who was really and still pissed off brought up an ex-Southern Miss coach. Powell or something.

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Yeah, pretty much. Not the first time it has happened and won't be the last. There is a long history in all levels of football of teams firing coaches to early.

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So you're saying O had the potential to succeed at Ole Miss he was just fired too early. Got it. ;-)

I like O a lot. I was freaking pumped when he can to lsu. I think he is excellent at what he does and is a great rep for LSU.

I also don't believe his resume is indicative a coach that should be hired to lead this program.

I don't believe that leading an pumped up, emotional, uber talented team gives enough reference to what he would be like as full time HC.

His past HC experience is just too much of an issue in my mind. Too hard to ignore, like most of you are willing to do.

This has nothing to do with 'liking' him.

Eta - I am approaching this hire as a business move...not a personal one.