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re: The Texas mentality

Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:25 am to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:25 am to
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It is puzzling that will all the money, all the recruits, the location, etc that UT has only 1 NC in the last 40 years. 40 years!!

LSU is even a better program.


They haven't had Saban who is a once in a generation coach.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:25 am to
quote:

It is puzzling that will all the money, all the recruits, the location, etc that UT has only 1 NC in the last 40 years. 40 years!!


Perfectly put. This is exactly my point. They supposedly have all of these advantages, yet have managed to get 1 title in that period. The same number that Clemson and BYU have.
Posted by LakeCountryRed
Training for the Kumite
Member since Feb 2013
2224 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:26 am to
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:26 am to
quote:

It is puzzling that will all the money, all the recruits, the location, etc that UT has only 1 NC in the last 40 years. 40 years!!


They've won the weak Big 12 twice in 16 years (1 more than A&M). 7 conference championships in 30 years (same as A&M). Everyone tells me how Great they are, show it. They aint done shite in a long, long time.
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:27 am to
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PRESTO 10 wins a year easily for Nick Saban.


Lol like he doesn't have that already. And the recruiting bit is humorous, given that poor ole Bama lands the #1 class every year. Must be so hard to get them here.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46610 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:28 am to
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Bama lands the #1 class every year


Print the shirts!!!
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:28 am to
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It's still 1000x better than T-Town


I've never been to Tuscaloosa but I'm currently sitting 25 miles from downtown Austin and live maybe 50 miles from it. Its a sprawl town with a few good parts but the rest are complete shite. The traffic is a nightmare, the roads were apparently designed by a blind man in a dark closet.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37680 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:30 am to
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Saban is smarter than that. Why the hell would he go to a school where its harder to win (history says it is) and harder to recruit to (at Alabama his recruiting rival is Auburn, at Texas not only does he have to worry about Texas A&M, but Oklahoma as well, not to mention good programs at other smaller BCS schools in the state..there are no Baylors or TCUs or Texas Techs in Alabama), and also is an administrative mess.



you made a decent case for Texan arrogance earlier in your post but fell apart IMO in this paragraph. Times have changed. It used to be apparently easier to win national championships in Minnesota than in Florida. But it is not today.

Alabama is a tremendous coaching opportunity with impressive resources and a fertile recruiting state. But they are not Texas (or California or Florida) and they do not have as much money and do not have the ability to pay tens of millions of dollars per year to a single coach on top of the tens of millions of dollars per year they already invest in football facilities, programs, coaching staffs, etc.

This isn't a shot at Alabama in particular but it should send chills of concern throughout the football world with respect to what it will mean for coaches and their compensation in the future. A rising tide of spending has been lifting salaries for a variety of coaches with relatively mediocre abilities and achievements and that will have to stop at some point for even major programs in major conferences to remain financially viable. Pointing to my own program in LSU I have to worry what if there's still a highest paid coach in football component to Les Miles' contract? Suddenly winning a national championship would become a financially questionable outcome. After all, Alabama could not afford to keep Nick and they wanted him as badly as you could want him.
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
5085 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:30 am to
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They aint done shite in a long, long time.




See 2005-2009

Aggy gonna aggy
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:30 am to
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They haven't had Saban who is a once in a generation coach.

Neither has Auburn, who is yet another school that has won more titles than UT.

But UT is the greatest job evarrr!!! So easy to win there!!!
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:31 am to
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I've never been to Tuscaloosa but I'm currently sitting 25 miles from downtown Austin and live maybe 50 miles from it. Its a sprawl town with a few good parts but the rest are complete shite. The traffic is a nightmare, the roads were apparently designed by a blind man in a dark closet.


Austin is Baton Rouge with hills and more money. It's nothing special.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46610 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:32 am to
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So easy to win there!


easier than bama...who plays in the toughest conference and division in all of CFB
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:32 am to
um no. I lived both places.
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:32 am to
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Print the shirts!!!


Not sure that's appropriate, since apparently Bama can't recruit like Texas

Morons
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:33 am to
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Austin is Baton Rouge with hills and more money. It's nothing special.


Don't forget the hippies. Saban loves hippies.
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11500 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:37 am to
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Baylor has the most political clout?


They have ruthless litigators.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6349 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:37 am to
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Why the hell would he go to a school where its harder to win (history says it is)


Seriously? Would you rather play LSU, Auburn, A & M, Tenn, Missouri and probably UGA, UF or SC every year or TT, OU, OSU, TCU, Baylor and WV? I know my preference.

quote:

harder to recruit


Not even close. Alabama does not have a large in state stock of talent. He has to go out of state to find a large number of his players. Even with competition there is a much larger pool of talent in Texas and it is much easier to recruit.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3107 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:37 am to
Austin is cool, but it used to be cooler, hit it's peak mid 2000s. Now it is just really packed, everyone wants to be there, seems to be a cliche of itself. Still has great food and lots to do, I always have a blast when I go there, but I wouldn't live there now.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:38 am to
quote:

you made a decent case for Texan arrogance earlier in your post but fell apart IMO in this paragraph. Times have changed. It used to be apparently easier to win national championships in Minnesota than in Florida. But it is not today.

Alabama is a tremendous coaching opportunity with impressive resources and a fertile recruiting state. But they are not Texas (or California or Florida) and they do not have as much money and do not have the ability to pay tens of millions of dollars per year to a single coach on top of the tens of millions of dollars per year they already invest in football facilities, programs, coaching staffs, etc.

This isn't a shot at Alabama in particular but it should send chills of concern throughout the football world with respect to what it will mean for coaches and their compensation in the future. A rising tide of spending has been lifting salaries for a variety of coaches with relatively mediocre abilities and achievements and that will have to stop at some point for even major programs in major conferences to remain financially viable. Pointing to my own program in LSU I have to worry what if there's still a highest paid coach in football component to Les Miles' contract? Suddenly winning a national championship would become a financially questionable outcome. After all, Alabama could not afford to keep Nick and they wanted him as badly as you could want him.


Here again, Texas' money advantage is not a new thing. That has been the case for decades. Texas' population advantage is not a new thing. The volume of recruits in Texas is not a new thing. These have been factors for years and years and years. It hasn't helped.

And, Alabama has all the money they need to pay Saban whatever he wants. The word is they are offering him $7 Million. If they need to make that $10 Million, they can get it.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:43 am to
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They have ruthless litigators.


The scuttlebutt back in the day was that when the SWC folded and the Big 8 expanded, if Baylor was not invited to the new Big XII that they had enough allies in the Texas State House to kill the deal and there as nothing that Texas or Texas A&M could do about it.

Compare that to Texas' inability to prevent Texas A&M from bolting to the SEC, which is the worst thing to happen to the Longhorns since they hired John Macovic.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 9:44 am
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