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Posted on 1/6/18 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 2:23 pm to
I dont think the situations are comparable when you're talking a walkon with no prior starting experience(who got hurt, allowing Stafford to play) to a guy with 25 starts or so under his belt in Etling.

Im not saying getting MB snaps wouldn't have been nice. There just wasn't the opportunity there.
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 2:24 pm to
Tereshinski completed a little over half his throws with as many TDs as interceptions. They are both senior a but that’s where the comparison ends.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 2:58 pm to
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Im not saying getting MB snaps wouldn't have been nice. There just wasn't the opportunity there.

why?

by your own admission this was a rebuilding year

you don't get to play both sides. either we were rebuilding and weren't winning anything, or we were fine and wins this year were the goal

you don't get to claim we were rebuilding but couldn't spare games/snaps for brennan. it's conflicting
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:00 pm to
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Tereshinski completed a little over half his throws with as many TDs as interceptions. They are both senior a but that’s where the comparison ends.

it's about a subpar, senior QB in a rebuilding year (ie, you aren't winning anything of importance b/c of roster gaps)

Etling not being as quite shitty as Terishinksi is irrelevant, because the year was a lost year regardless

or you can say this wasn't a rebuilding year and Etling starting is logical

pick your argument. you don't get to cherry pick from both to make a transformer argument
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Do you not want to apply that rantionale team wide? Why not?


Not every position needs as much experience to begin with and others you rotate guys anyway. Not ever situation is the same. This year you had a first year coach a scrub QB playing for nothing that’s not always the case
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:04 pm to
because like any rebuild the goal is to win in the process.

It's a lot harder to win with a Fr QB then it is plugging in a FR into a LB corp, for instance.

stop pretending like this is some video game.
Posted by nextmanup
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:06 pm to
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Fun Bunch


You're an awful person
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:12 pm to
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We played 3 freshmen OL this year on a unit that showed great improvement from game 1


Props to Les Miles and Grimes

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We’ll add shelvin, the top juco DE & a former 5 star transfer from Tech next year, among other



Sweet JUCO stars hooray



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Lol ok


Look at the teams above and below us in the rankings. They all have more space to add players then we do
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:13 pm to
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Etling has a decent (not great by any means) year. He has limitations but those were exaggerated. He did not perform poorly enough that we should have shut down the season entirely.


He is who he was, you were severely limiting yourself by sticking with him. At the very least Brennan should have gotten more reps. He didn’t perform well enough to be the unopposed starter
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:14 pm to
you're trying too hard here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:14 pm to
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because like any rebuild the goal is to win in the process.

a. bullshite, but even if so, you want to get better and hope that turns into wins later on in the year

b. there isn't much evidence that brennan would have been that much worse. let's say we lose to Auburn and go to a lesser bowl that we win. does this somehow make LSU evil to our seniors? no
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:17 pm to
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That statement right there shows your ignorance of football. This is one of the best all-around classes we signed in the last 10 years


Is this a joke?

Maybe if we were miss. St or ole miss
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:18 pm to
Thanks skip



Why is it so hard for LSU fans to admit Os recruiting skills are overrated?
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 3:20 pm
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:18 pm to
Yeah Auburn is the only game you may have lost in the process of starting Brennan, the rest were basically a bunch of fricking tomato cans, you can’t convince me the results would have been any different

Etling was the starter because O had some loyalty to him, not because of his play
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:19 pm to
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b. there isn't much evidence that brennan would have been that much worse. l



how could you possibly know this?

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let's say we lose to Auburn and go to a lesser bowl that we win. does this somehow make LSU evil to our seniors? no


Let's say we lose to Florida too and A&M game becomes a toss up (Etlings best game of year).

You think 6 or 7 wins is good for this program at the expense of given Brennan some reps? that's fricking dumb. Again this isnt some video game simulation. You're not living in reality right now
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:20 pm to
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pick your argument.
i don’t think I have ever called this a rebuilding year. I thought we were a long shot to win the SEC but that does not mean I want to give up on the season and play for next year.

As I said we had one loss in the SEC and were playing for the division later in the year and finished 6-2. No reason to shut down the season and play for 2018.

You keep using hindsight to say we should have given up on 2017 because we finished the season unranked.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:21 pm to
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You think 6 or 7 wins is good for this program at the expense of given Brennan some reps?

yeah b/c it's all the same to me

YOU are the one pushing "rebuilding year". 6-7 wins is fine for a rebuilding year
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:23 pm to
Etling was atrocious against UF, UF is just a miserable team, don’t think you can call that one an L under Brennan

and maybe we beat a&m by ever so slightly less, you can’t call that one a loss under him either
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:24 pm to
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You keep using hindsight to say we should have given up on 2017 because we finished the season unranked.


i supported it after Troy b/c our year was over. i've always been a proponent of process-oriented thinking/teambuilding

i'm not a results-oriented guy. that can only sustain itself over the short term, if ever. you never build a winning scheme/culture that way

Miles had the same issues as far back as 2005-2006 which is why i knew we'd be, at best, a tease under him (especially once Saban/Jimbo's guys left). 2008-2016 we were mediocre outside of 2011, which was that random outlier year...that ultimately broke our program when we failed. you get those random outliers when you are results-oriented and your ignore your foundational scheme/philosophy (process-orientation)

this is also why Saban keeps winning, OC after OC. offense after offense. DC after DC.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:25 pm to
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YOU are the one pushing "rebuilding year". 6-7 wins is fine for a rebuilding year



ya, and 9 wins is better considering LSU played 24 freshmen this year.

You realize this is still positive for the future, right?

Myles Brennan is not the sole factor in a rebuild. A better player played ahead of him. There isn't much else to it.

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