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Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:based on what I saw Etling played better than Brennan. Nothing really blew my doors off when Brennan was in the game. I know you think Brennan would have turned into Joe Montana with a couple of games under his belt but that sounds more like wishful thinking.
there isn't much evidence that brennan would have been that much worse.
It made no sense to give up on 2017 when we were still in the divisional race. None.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:in a monsoon
he also threw for sub-100 yards against UTenn
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:26 pm to Lester Earl
Is this the official line of this board? Coach O deserves a chance? Is this the new rally for Miles- we too dumb to know what good coaching is? Interdasting
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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ya, and 9 wins is better
no it's not. we didn't win anything of substances so 9 wins means the same as 6 wins
we didn't even win our shitty bowl
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A better player played ahead of him. There isn't much else to it.
then you have to agree that O and his new OC get no rope in 2018
there is no learning curve for Brennan. any deficiencies are O's fault. if we lose early b/c of shaky QB play, that's on O
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:our year was not over. An SECW championship was still on the table.
i supported it after Troy b/c our year was over.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:28 pm to drexyl
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in a monsoon
the point is that Etling wasn't winning games for us and whatever deficiencies Brennan had would likely not have mattered much in terms of W/L
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:29 pm to drexyl
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our year was not over. An SECW championship was still on the table.
if we beat Auburn and Bama and didn't have a hiccup. essentially impossible
i mean you can prepare the team as if that 1% shot is likely to occur, but i don't think that way
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:this is just a ridiculous statement. Is 9 wins the same as zero wins? You won nothing in both cases.
no it's not. we didn't win anything of substances so 9 wins means the same as 6 wins
I was joking earlier but I feel like you would legitimately be in favor of benching the seniors once we are out of the SEC championship race. Based on what you’ve said so far you’d have a hard time arguing the contrary.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:30 pm to BilJ
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Etling was atrocious against UF, UF is just a miserable team, don’t think you can call that one an L under Brennan
tough game to win on the road with a Freshmen. as meh as FL was Im pretty sure that was the first or second loss under McElwain in their building.
Opening drive of the 3rd Q, Etling led a 75 yard TD drive capped by a TD pass to tory carter.
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and maybe we beat a&m by ever so slightly less, you can’t call that one a loss under him either
yea, or maybe we dont. Not exactly a win. The games with Brennan under center certainly would have been more doubt.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
We did beat Auburn.
You’re advocating telling the football team and the fans, hell and Bama/Saban that frick it, we know if we beat you we are in the drivers seat to win the SECW but we don’t think it’s possible so we give up. frick man that’s insane. Thanks for the summer workouts and two a days guys but I just don’t see it happening so we’re shutting it down for this year even though we are still in the divisional race. No coach in history has done that.
You’re advocating telling the football team and the fans, hell and Bama/Saban that frick it, we know if we beat you we are in the drivers seat to win the SECW but we don’t think it’s possible so we give up. frick man that’s insane. Thanks for the summer workouts and two a days guys but I just don’t see it happening so we’re shutting it down for this year even though we are still in the divisional race. No coach in history has done that.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no it's not. we didn't win anything of substances so 9 wins means the same as 6 wins
It matters to the players and fans and admins and coaches.
its like you've never played sports in your life jake. Been playing too much fantasy stuff and video games.
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then you have to agree that O and his new OC get no rope in 2018
there is no learning curve for Brennan. any deficiencies are O's fault. if we lose early b/c of shaky QB play, that's on O
even your example of Stafford had a learning curve his soph year after playing as a freshman. played absolutely horrible in losses to SC and Tenn. Completed a sad 55% of his passes on the year.
I dont expect Brennan to be perfect. Had he played this year I'd feel the same way.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:38 pm to drexyl
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this is just a ridiculous statement.
what is you goal as a major CFB program?
to win championships or pad win stats?
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but I feel like you would legitimately be in favor of benching the seniors once we are out of the SEC championship race.
if they were worse than their backups, yes
i honestly don't think Etling was that much better than Brennan. the increase in mistakes of Brennan would be outweighed by his insanely larger ability (especially throwing deep)
even though QB is unique (primarily b/c you can't really sub it out), i do think we should have had Phillips out there much earlier taking his lumps
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
Holy frick. Y'all are still arguing in this thread? Recruiting board is mostly elated. Landed a huge commitment from Kelvin Joseph today and we have more good recruits than we have remaining spots for.
On the other hand, the recruiting board was depressing as frick yesterday as I was trying to sell Ensminger to myself.
On the other hand, the recruiting board was depressing as frick yesterday as I was trying to sell Ensminger to myself.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You already said that you would give up on a championship possibility because you would assume losing to auburn and Alabama.
to win championships or pad win stats?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP you just proved you know ZERO about college football.
Since when does hotshot quarterback = title?
Both LSU champions avg quarterback.
Georgia, as an example, has had boatloads of top quarterbacks and have won NOTHING.
Saying Saban’s Bama champions haven’t had top flight quarterbacks is like complaining about Helen of Troy’s choice of perfume.
Since when does hotshot quarterback = title?
Both LSU champions avg quarterback.
Georgia, as an example, has had boatloads of top quarterbacks and have won NOTHING.
Saying Saban’s Bama champions haven’t had top flight quarterbacks is like complaining about Helen of Troy’s choice of perfume.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:ah but playing Darrel Williams does nothing to help us win next year. We are winning nothing this year so CEH and Nicholas! Should have played instead.
if they were worse than their backups, yes
i honestly don't think Etling was that much better than Brennan. the increase in mistakes of Brennan would be outweighed by his insanely larger ability (especially throwing deep)
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:43 pm to Lester Earl
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its like you've never played sports in your life jake
i have. people see sports very incorrectly b/c their irrational, emotional, and selfish. this selfishness makes people have issues, generally, with seeing the big picture. part of the coach's job, imho, is to establish that culture and belief system with the fans (and team)
your argument is very similar to the people who criticized the pats early on during their run for their ruthless dealings with veterans. lawyer milloy was the first great example. they used the same sorts of emotional arguments "this will never work because you're dealing with people blah blah blah" and look at their success
remove the human element
create an overall plan to maximize the path to titles
execute that plan ruthlessly and efficiently
outside of a supernova like Cam Newton, that's the only way to put yourself in a position to consistently win titles in CFB
i'll give you anoher example of the "talented freshman getting PT over the valued senior" meme: Desahwn Watson
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:45 pm to drexyl
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You already said that you would give up on a championship possibility
the longest of longshots isn't a real possibility for a rational fan
again, this kind of thinking is why i make money at poker. people staying in with incredibly low odds out of some blind irrational optimism
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:46 pm to drexyl
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. We are winning nothing this year so CEH and Nicholas! Should have played instead.
i would agree but i have a bad feeling there is a reason they didn't play (lack of talent)
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