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re: Stop with the Joe Brady stuff for OC
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:34 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:34 pm to SammyTiger
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wrong. That’s bull shite.
PFF says 2018 LSU operated out of the shotgun something like 80% of the time.
As I said, your narrative is revisionist history.
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:35 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Burrow barely played under center at all in 2018.
67% shotgun
The 2019 offense was like 98% shotgun
The protections were much different. Ditched the full back. Route concepts were heavily upgraded. RB became involved in passing game.
This was all Joe Brady
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:35 pm to SammyTiger
You can't sit here and tell me that chase and burrow were the same players in 2018 as they were in 2019.
Obviously the numbers would've been better if brady was here in 2018 but they still would've gone through that year of growth.
Burrow would tell you the same thing. He hadn't played for 3 years.
He got better throughout the year and you could see by the ucf game that he was a different qb.
Obviously the numbers would've been better if brady was here in 2018 but they still would've gone through that year of growth.
Burrow would tell you the same thing. He hadn't played for 3 years.
He got better throughout the year and you could see by the ucf game that he was a different qb.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:36 pm to Lester Earl
Talk to em Earl
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
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PFF says 2018 LSU operated out of the shotgun something like 80% of the time.
Don’t let the facts get in your way
“LSU ran 96.1% of its plays from the shotgun in 2019, a far cry from the 67.1% of plays it ran from the shotgun in 2018.”
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:41 pm to Chalkywhite84
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You can't sit here and tell me that chase and burrow were the same players in 2018 as they were in 2019.
You can sit here and tell Me that it wasn’t E’s fault?
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Obviously the numbers would've been better if brady was here in 2018 but they still would've gone through that year of growth.
End of story then.
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Burrow would tell you the same thing. He hadn't played for 3 years.
He didn’t get better as the season went on. It’s an excuse even if Joe is making it. He played well against shitty teams and poorly against good teams because the scheme sucked.
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He got better throughout the year and you could see by the ucf game that he was a different qb.
He was also a “different QB” vs Ole Miss then?
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:41 pm to Lester Earl
If Brady is the hire, then great. Kelly has a good eye for assistant coaches and I’ll support it. Brady brought new concepts and really evolved the offense in 2019, no doubt.
But you can’t just ignore any apparent faults because of the 2019 team.
(Not directed at you LE, just in general)
But you can’t just ignore any apparent faults because of the 2019 team.
(Not directed at you LE, just in general)
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:43 pm to Lester Earl
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Don’t let the facts get in your way
“LSU ran 96.1% of its plays from the shotgun in 2019, a far cry from the 67.1% of plays it ran from the shotgun in 2018.”
Those numbers are including quarterback knees and LSU pounding the ball late in blowouts which almost exclusively came from single back and I formation sets.
The percentages outside of "garbage time" are somewhere between 75% and 80%, depending on which stat service you believe.
The major difference I noticed from 2018 to 2019 was they'd operate more from the shotgun inside the redzone whereas in 2018 they'd try to pound the ball from the I formation, especially inside the 5.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:44 pm to SammyTiger
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You can sit here and tell Me that it wasn’t E’s fault?
Tell me about how awesome the 2020 offense was when it was E alone
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:44 pm to Purpleblooded
I hope Brady comes just so we get an answer on who was really leading the 2019 offense
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:44 pm to SidewalkTiger
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think it's more realistic to say that a bunch of first time starters got experience, Burrow actually got to know the team, and the offensive line situation stabilized versus a first time offensive coach flipped college football on its head.
Kirby and several other defensive coaches said LSU wasn't doing anything "special" scheme wise, they just had elite talent.
All of this is true.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:48 pm to SammyTiger
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He didn’t get better as the season went on. It’s an excuse even if Joe is making it. He played well
Joe burrow didn't get better as that 2018 season went along?
Did you watch the games. He was a fompl3tely different qb by the end of that ucf game.
Of course ensminger's offense wasn't up to date but to act like brady would've come into the building in 2018 and won a championship is disingenuous.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:48 pm to wildtigercat93
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Tell me about how awesome the 2020 offense was when it was E
You're comparing 5th year senior Joe Burrow to junior Myles Brennan getting his first starts for 3 games, then two true freshman the rest of the way with all three having very little offseason?
Not to mention an offense that replaced something like 9/11 starters.
Jesus.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You're comparing 5th year senior Joe Burrow to junior Myles Brennan getting his first starts for 3 games, then two true freshman the rest of the way with all three having very little offseason?
Okay, choose any of the 19 previous seasons we had E on staff if you prefer
ETA plus I’ve been told that the talent Brady has had in Carolina is no excuse so which is it
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:51 pm to Purpleblooded
Do you remeber the crap offense we had in 2018 un Ensminger even with all the same guys. Joe Brady brought a new playbook, turned the WRs into 1st round picks.
To deny Brady didn't turn the LSU offense into a force is stupid. Explain the jump from 2018 to 2019?
Brady has to deal with horrible QBS at Carolina and the only weapon they have is McAffrey.he was fired because the offense sux and rhule has to do something to save his job also.
To deny Brady didn't turn the LSU offense into a force is stupid. Explain the jump from 2018 to 2019?
Brady has to deal with horrible QBS at Carolina and the only weapon they have is McAffrey.he was fired because the offense sux and rhule has to do something to save his job also.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:53 pm to wildtigercat93
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Okay, choose any of the 19 previous seasons we had E on staff if you prefer
Steve Ensminger wasn't at LSU for 19 years, dumbass.
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ETA plus I’ve been told that the talent Brady has had in Carolina is no excuse so which is it
I didn't tell you that.
Joe Brady, as a coach, is probably somewhat between 2019 LSU and 2020-21 Carolina.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Those numbers are including quarterback knees and LSU pounding the ball late in blowouts which almost exclusively came from single back and I formation sets.
The percentages outside of "garbage time" are somewhere between 75% and 80%, depending on which stat service you believe.
I don’t love made up stats
Stats are stats for a reason
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:55 pm to Chalkywhite84
Kirby pointed out we ran 20+ plays without ever substituting.
I think our players improved from '18 to '19 and would have had Brady never set foot on campus.
But I don't think there would have been this all-time great offense without Brady.
Had we scored say 14 pts vs. Bama in '18 and say 28 in '19, that would be akin to player improvement. But to go from shutout to record setting would seem to be more than just player improvement. That seems a reach.
I think our players improved from '18 to '19 and would have had Brady never set foot on campus.
But I don't think there would have been this all-time great offense without Brady.
Had we scored say 14 pts vs. Bama in '18 and say 28 in '19, that would be akin to player improvement. But to go from shutout to record setting would seem to be more than just player improvement. That seems a reach.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
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I don’t love made up stats
Stats are stats for a reason
They aren't made up.
Pay for a PFF subscription and see for yourself
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:58 pm to wildtigercat93
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Tell me about how awesome the 2020 offense was when it was E alone
I never liked Ensminger as an OC, but in fairness, the offense was very good in 2020 until Brennan got hurt.
Main problem with Ensminger is that his offense and his playcalling died in the red zone.
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