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Saban's coaching tree. Not really any Saban clones there
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:12 pm
Nick Saban’s Coaching Tree
Kirby Smart: Georgia HC - seems to be the most successful. Only has 1 conf title, mostly because he has to go through Daddy to get there
Jimbo Fisher: Texas A&M HC - Does have a NC. ranked #4 last season, but has the same problem as Smart in getting past Daddy. Which he just did
Jeremy Pruitt: Tennessee HC - Recently fired. Losing record overall
Will Muschamp: South Carolina HC - Fired twice from SEC schools. Record is barely above .500
Mark Dantonio: Michigan State HC - Officially retired. Decent career. Won 3 conf titles, but only 2 NY6 bowls
Derek Dooley: Position coach - Losing record overall as a HC
Jim McElwain: Central Michigan HC - Fired mid-year at his only P5 job. 14-12 at his current school
Lane Kiffin: Ole Miss HC - Tumultuous career, but to be fair it was before he coached under Saban. Saban did end up running him off. .625 at his current P5 school
Bobby Williams: Position coach. Losing record as a P5 HC
Major Applewhite: Houston HC - 15-11 at his first HC job
Mario Cristobal: Oregon HC - Decent success. Ranked 2 years out of 5, and 2 NY6 bowls
Mike Locksley (Alabama): Maryland HC - Very poor W/L record over 7 seasons as HC
Billy Napier: Louisiana HC - 1st HC job at a G5 school. No conf championship or NY6 bowls
Geoff Collins: Georgia Tech HC - Overall losing record at 2 schools. No titles or NY6 bowls
Curt Cignetti: James Madison HC - has a great record at 3 Div 2 schools. 7 trips to the playoffs in 10 years. 3 conf titles. Just didnt seem to advance
Michael Haywood: Texas Southern HC - Overall losing record. Won a G5 conf title then was hired at Pitt, but arrested for abuse before the 1st game
Other than Smart or Jimbo, none of Saban's tree has close to his success. Time to admit that there will probably never be another Saban. Being from his tree should not be the driving force for a school, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle
Kirby Smart: Georgia HC - seems to be the most successful. Only has 1 conf title, mostly because he has to go through Daddy to get there
Jimbo Fisher: Texas A&M HC - Does have a NC. ranked #4 last season, but has the same problem as Smart in getting past Daddy. Which he just did
Jeremy Pruitt: Tennessee HC - Recently fired. Losing record overall
Will Muschamp: South Carolina HC - Fired twice from SEC schools. Record is barely above .500
Mark Dantonio: Michigan State HC - Officially retired. Decent career. Won 3 conf titles, but only 2 NY6 bowls
Derek Dooley: Position coach - Losing record overall as a HC
Jim McElwain: Central Michigan HC - Fired mid-year at his only P5 job. 14-12 at his current school
Lane Kiffin: Ole Miss HC - Tumultuous career, but to be fair it was before he coached under Saban. Saban did end up running him off. .625 at his current P5 school
Bobby Williams: Position coach. Losing record as a P5 HC
Major Applewhite: Houston HC - 15-11 at his first HC job
Mario Cristobal: Oregon HC - Decent success. Ranked 2 years out of 5, and 2 NY6 bowls
Mike Locksley (Alabama): Maryland HC - Very poor W/L record over 7 seasons as HC
Billy Napier: Louisiana HC - 1st HC job at a G5 school. No conf championship or NY6 bowls
Geoff Collins: Georgia Tech HC - Overall losing record at 2 schools. No titles or NY6 bowls
Curt Cignetti: James Madison HC - has a great record at 3 Div 2 schools. 7 trips to the playoffs in 10 years. 3 conf titles. Just didnt seem to advance
Michael Haywood: Texas Southern HC - Overall losing record. Won a G5 conf title then was hired at Pitt, but arrested for abuse before the 1st game
Other than Smart or Jimbo, none of Saban's tree has close to his success. Time to admit that there will probably never be another Saban. Being from his tree should not be the driving force for a school, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:14 pm to RobbBobb
Looks like a lot of Saban’s disciples leave and land at shitty career ending schools.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:15 pm to caliegeaux
You would think more would have nattys beside fisher
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:16 pm to RobbBobb
Now do the Parcells tree that Saban came from
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:18 pm to caliegeaux
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Looks like a lot of Saban’s disciples leave and land at shitty career ending schools.
Yeah. Some got really good gigs at first. But currently other than Cristobal, Jimbo, and Kirby, everyone else has flamed out.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:19 pm to nicholastiger
Jimbo is a lucky sob just like Miles in winning his championship. That list of coaches is really bad. Most of them fizzled out and plenty of power 5 opportunities.
Maybe Saban likes shitty coaches underneath him. Guys who can carry his clipboard for him so he can let them know how much superior he is to them.
Maybe Saban likes shitty coaches underneath him. Guys who can carry his clipboard for him so he can let them know how much superior he is to them.
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:21 pm to RobbBobb
Other than Saban, I never got what people saw in Mcelwain
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:28 pm to RobbBobb
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Mark Dantonio: Michigan State HC - Officially retired. Decent career. Won 3 conf titles, but only 2 NY6 bowls
Dantonio was far more successful in win percentage, conference titles and bowls then Saban was. He also took over at Sparty after 7 very lean seasons between his and Saban's tenure.
He probably doesn't get enough credit for what he did there considering he had to compete against the power teams tOSU, Michigan and Penn St.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:29 pm to BilJ
Just because you worked for a great coach, don’t make you a great coach.
Yeah, you’ve seen one do his job daily, but that doesn’t give you the intangibles.
Skins on the wall is the key to finding the next great coach.
Yeah, you’ve seen one do his job daily, but that doesn’t give you the intangibles.
Skins on the wall is the key to finding the next great coach.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:31 pm to RobbBobb
Saban is at a point where he isn’t exactly mentoring guys anymore. Big names come through and work with him, but the last guy who’s from that tree like he was learning a ton from Saban is probably Smart. Who’s the best of the bunch.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:35 pm to BilJ
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Other than Saban, I never got what people saw in Mcelwain
Thats my fear with Napier. Both went to a G5 school. Neither won a conf title. McElwain got the UF gig and tanked. And people are pushing Napier into an SEC job without any hardware to show.
I dont get it. Pruitt. Muschamp, Dooley, McElwain, all coordinators under Saban and flamed out in the SEC. I have no confidence that Napier, as a position coach, will break through
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:45 pm to RobbBobb
I’ll say this Mcelwain did get his shot just as the Saban offense was on the brink of extinction.
Napier is more in line with the modern college football offense
Napier is more in line with the modern college football offense
Posted on 10/21/21 at 4:48 pm to Larry_Hotdogs
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Now do the Parcells tree that Saban came from
And the Ray Perkins tree that Parcells came from.
That Perkins-Erhardt system has spawned a ton of successful NFL and college coaches.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 5:27 pm to RobbBobb
Great coz he’s don’t tend to come from great coaches.
It’s a lot like great players. The kids rarely live up to the parent’s success.
Coaching takes special talent and most importantly an ability to teach. What messes these apprentices up is trying to be their mentor. Just like with teaching, to be great at it, you can’t try to just emulate another person’s ways. You have to find what works best for you.
Saban’s disciples tend to just copy his ways and think it’s a winning formula. In reality, it is for Saban because it is tailored for him. The ones that come from a mixed tree will do better in all honesty and those are guys like Kiffen, Sark, etc. They learned under multiple guys.
What worries me about Napier is that people say how he is a great follower of what Saban does. That will not work well in most cases, and that is concerning.
It’s a lot like great players. The kids rarely live up to the parent’s success.
Coaching takes special talent and most importantly an ability to teach. What messes these apprentices up is trying to be their mentor. Just like with teaching, to be great at it, you can’t try to just emulate another person’s ways. You have to find what works best for you.
Saban’s disciples tend to just copy his ways and think it’s a winning formula. In reality, it is for Saban because it is tailored for him. The ones that come from a mixed tree will do better in all honesty and those are guys like Kiffen, Sark, etc. They learned under multiple guys.
What worries me about Napier is that people say how he is a great follower of what Saban does. That will not work well in most cases, and that is concerning.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 6:11 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:?
It’s a lot like great players. The kids rarely live up to the parent’s success
Seth Curry, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, etc.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 6:15 pm to RobbBobb
It's almost like when you have all the best players in the country under your supervision, you tend to look better than you really are
Posted on 10/21/21 at 6:25 pm to nicholastiger
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You would think more would have nattys beside fisher
Saban has 7 titles in the last 18 years. That doesn’t leave a lot of room for the other 65 P5 schools and coaches. Add in LSU’s 2 titles, Urban’s 3, and Dabo’s 2, and that leaves only 4 other opportunities.
A National Championship is a very high bar to gauge success.
Several of Saban’s former assistants are good position coaches and/or recruiters, but never should have been given a HC position, but the Saban glow has elevated the attractiveness of a lot of coaches.
Applewhite and Geoff Collins were on staff for a single season. I think Applewhite returned as an analyst recently. I don’t know how much credit or blame Saban deserves for their careers.
Several others were on staff for a small percentage of their careers. Kirby is the exception. He spent over a decade with Saban at LSU, Dolphins, and Alabama.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 6:29 pm to BayouCowboy
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He probably doesn't get enough credit for what he did there considering he had to compete against the power teams tOSU, Michigan and Penn St.
He gets plenty of credit from Michigan State fans, but yeah, this thread is underrating him a lot. The end of his career was sour, but he's kind of MSU's Saban. The coach that unlocked the potential of the school the fanbase always knew was there.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 6:55 pm to RobbBobb
quote:He is a Bowden tree. Not Saban.
Jimbo Fisher: Texas A&M HC - Does have a NC. ranked #4 last season, but has the same problem as Smart in getting past Daddy. Which he just did
Posted on 10/21/21 at 7:00 pm to Ghost of Colby
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A National Championship is a very high bar to gauge success.
I think that's the point being made. Only one of his tree has even beat him. Let alone get that brass ring. Those that beat him come from a different perspective altogether.
LSU should look for a Dabo, an Urban, or even Bob Stoops. Who beat Saban during his run. A Saban coach is not going to get the job done.
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