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re: Pj fleck and don't look back.

Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

When was the last time Western Michigan been ranked in top 25, the second longest winning streak in the NCAA, beaten TWO big x teams?


Very possible the answer is never on all 3 fronts
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 10:06 pm to
Well he isn't even being considered so move on
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 10:36 pm to
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He's beaten two P5 teams this year, and he can recruit.


He beat Northwestern and Illinois

not exactly powerhouses.
Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 11:25 pm to
herman the first coach outside of power five to get one or two 5 star recuits to his school.. not bad!
Posted by DBU
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 11:26 pm to
Posted by jralspanky
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:04 am to
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:36 am to
What a terrible article. Not even worth copying and pasting the content.
Posted by jralspanky
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:51 pm to
What's terrible about it? You disagreeing with PJ as a candidate?
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:15 pm to
First off, the article was an attempt at satire. Not a legitimate list of landing spots for Fleck.

And no, he is not ready for the LSU job.
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:47 pm to
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And no, he is not ready for the LSU job.


How do you know??? Do you know him or just making assumptions based off ZERO real information. And the idea that just because he has rebuilt a MAC team is not proof he is not ready.

He might not be my first choice but he sure the heck is in the interview pool!! There is too many analyst with more football knowledge than most this board that think he is ready for the next level, not saying they are always right but to say he isn't ready with zero facts........... just an ignorant statement!
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:36 pm to
He's from the Chicago area. He's been involved with the MAC as a player and as a coach longer than anywhere else. He's also divorced with young children. No one can read his mind, but that is not ZERO real information. That's information worth considering before viewing him as a realistic candidate for an elite-level job in the SEC.

Fleck looks like a good coach and a fantastic recruiter, but can we at least see if he can win his division first? Darrell Hazell and Dave Doeren even did that before they moved on and they sure as hell didn't land anywhere like LSU.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17583 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:01 pm to
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Big Ten loves to hire MAC coaches. They are hit or miss...mostly miss though


The following current coaches all head coached in the MAC (I am not even going to mention the retired and departed guys like Ara Parshegian, Lou Holtz, Bo Schembechler).

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
Dino Babers
Kevin Wilson
Dave Doeren
Butch Jones
Brian Kelly
Steve Addazzio
Matt Campbell
Jim Grobe

Pretty impressive list I would say.

Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17895 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:15 pm to
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Dino Babers
Dave Doeren
Steve Addazzio
Matt Campbell

These are the only coaches on your list who went directly from the MAC to their current jobs.

They currently have a combined record of 45-54 since leaving. The other coaches made other stops before they got where they are today.

If you throw in Darrell Hazell, which you conveniently left off, the record is 54-86.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4891 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:18 pm to
Laugh at people that say he needs a bigger gig before lsu.

1) hugh freeze Arkansas state
2) Gus malzahn (Arkansas state)
3) dan Mullen (no hc experience)
4) Kevin sumlin ( Houston )

Obviously can't compete with those qualifications! L.m.a.o
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1072 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:45 pm to
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He's from the Chicago area. He's been involved with the MAC as a player and as a coach longer than anywhere else. He's also divorced with young children


bwahahahahahaha, so this is why is isn't ready??? He has young kids,is divorced, and from Chicago..... I will give you the MAC statement, but geez, you would do better just staying silent. You would look more intelligent.

Once again, I am not crowning him the next "Can't Miss Hire", but your reasoning for thinking he is not ready is pure BS.
Posted by jralspanky
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17895 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:15 pm to
Why is it BS to think he might not want to leave his kids now when this is the longest he's ever held a coaching job? Why is it BS to think that a lifelong Midwesterner who coaches in front of crowds of less than 20K is not ready for the SEC? Why is it BS to acknowledge that top programs don't hire head coaches away from the MAC?

You seem irrationally bothered that I used information to form an opinion that you haven't refuted with anything except personal attacks.
Posted by Statsattack
Il
Member since Feb 2013
3922 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:45 pm to
Watched those videos and he comes off as a tool. He couldn't recruit against Meyer or Saban. He is perfect for Arky.
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1072 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

nvasil1


Using your logic, Jimbo is not a fit b/c he just got divorced and has kids. Herman is not a good fit b/c Houston can't seem to put more than 20K in the stadium and he is not ready for the big SEC crowds. Dabo wasn't ready b/c he wasn't even a coordinator. Mark Richt shouldn't have never been hired b/c he was never a head coach. However they seem to have worked out, that's why you should keep an open mind and interview viable candidates.

Listing his coaching shortcomings would be legitimate reasons why he isn't ready (qualified), but to say "he might not want to leave his kids" as a reason why YOU think he isn't ready (qualified) is BS.

And to be honest, I am not irrationally bothered at all; I find it rather amusing though.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17895 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:08 pm to
It's already been pointed out in this thread why he isn't a viable candidate for LSU now. MAC coaches don't get hired away into elite jobs and they don't have a successful track record when other P5 schools hire them. Fleck's most impressive win is Illinois and he's yet to play for a conference title.

I said he wasn't ready. You called that ignorant. I gave you more reasons why he might not be. You said I should just be silent. Now you're bringing up head coaches who had deeper resumes than Fleck when they were hired, as if they're apples to apples comparisons.

This board really is incredible. Jimbo's resume is nitpicked to death while cases are actually being made for PJ Fleck and Mike MacIntyre.
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