re: Pj fleck and don't look back.

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MAC is trash. American had 3 or 4 teams in the top 25 at the same time last year. You're the retard, retard.

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You didn't answer my question.

I don't know what the "American conference" is, but Fleck beat two P5 teams alone. Fleck also beat Central Michigan by five TDs. Central Michigan "beat" a 4-2 Okie State team. I think that you have no clue about what you're talking about.

I deleted what I wanted to answer because it was mean.

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Fleck has done nothing significant outside of this job. Herman won a NC with a 3rd string qb and beat bama

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No. Fleck was an NFL player. That is significant.

You're probably right. I have way overstated my case.

However, I think that some program will end up being happy as a clam for having Fleck. It's probably too early to bet on that, though.

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Fleck has done nothing significant outside of this job. Herman won a NC with a 3rd string qb and beat bama

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I didn't know Herman was the head coach at OSU. That's like saying Kiffin won national titles at Alabama and the head coach had no influence.

Yeah he beat Alabama.

Miles has 2 NC and beat Bama 4 times (5 we all know PP7 intercepted that ball) and played in and should have won a 3rd. Screw you Quinn and okie lite

He's one of the main reasons just like Herman. Ohio states offense is not what they were since he oeft

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What is difference in w Michigan and Houston.

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Remind me of the top-10, Power 5 teams led by national championship-winning coaches that Western Michigan recently defeated...

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This, but he's not much different than Herman except Herman has some elite level wins under his belt.

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Six years of coaching is a hell of a difference.

A national championship on your resume is a hell of a difference.

Being a record-setting offensive coordinator at four different programs is a hell of a difference.

Being a QBs coach versus a receivers coach is a hell of a difference.

This comparison has a very wide gap that favors Herman.

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Good display of ignorance. You don't even know what conference they are in.

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His ignorance doesn't change the fact that the MAC has sucked arse for a number of years now. Northern Illinois, and for awhile Central Michigan, is the only consistently good program in that putrid league.

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I'm a big PJ Fleck guy but sadly he's not a big enough "name" for the majority of the fan base

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This is problematic for us.

Guys like Charlie Weis were big names, and they sucked. I worry that we're going to break the bank to get the next best popular thing instead of the the next best successful thing.

Hey dude you the one that doesn't know sh*t cause you don't even know the conference that W Michigan comes from. How old are you? 20-25?
That's what's wrong with the people on this board most don't even know college football all they care is the Spread Offense and Tom Herman. Wow you don't know PJ Flecks background why don't you read for a change before you talk shite bout another Coach Fu*k Tard. Crawl back under your rock and watch ur cartoons.