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re: Paul Finebaum on Sportscenter: Alabama officials increasingly nervous

Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:41 am to
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:41 am to
Seriously, what's 40 mil between a few multi-billionaire boosters?
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:45 am to
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What does Bama have to be nervous about? So what if he leaves? Talk about leaving the cupboard overflowing. Most coaches picking up the reigns of this team as currently constructed would succeed.


True - but succeeding vs. dominating is the difference. Also, the job will have a ton of pressure for anyone trying to succeed him as the head coach.

I didn't think he was going anywhere. He's got great incoming recruits and has had great success. He needs to find an answer at QB though with AJ departing. But at this point, it seems like it might be a 50/50 decision.

If Texas is throwing the world at him, he might be considering it as his last stop on the national chamipionship trifecta legacy tour. Plus, it would probably be a hell of a lot easier to make it into the 4-team playoff system in the Big 12.

But I'd still be somewhat surprised if he left just because I think he loves the passion people have for football in the SEC. But it wouldn't shock me at all.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:47 am to
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you gotta remember, 200 mil is nothing to them, especially when their billionaire boosters are footing the bill


Well - it's not "nothing" - they do see the move as a potential gain - just the LHN by itself will instantly spike in value with the change.

However, as I tried to, patiently, explain to the Bama fans (the reasonable ones who would at least listen) - Texas is a super rich state - for every Jim Bernhard or Pennington family that Louisiana has, Texas has a subdivision of those people. Fully 10% of the Forbes 400 has residence in Texas.

So, while $200 million is not "nothing" it is certainly easier to shoulder if you spread that around to several hundred (ETA: Should say "dozens") well-heeled billionaires and the much larger group of "high 8 and 9 figure" net worth people, of which Texas has thousands. It's a money juggernaut. Only California and New York have anything like that money, and it is too spread out, too diffuse and certainly doesn't care about football.

The perfect storm.

This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 8:56 am
Posted by DeltaDoc
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:53 am to
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Well - it's not "nothing" - they do see the move as a potential gain - just the LHN by itself will instantly spike in value with the change. However, as I tried to, patiently, explain to the Bama fans (the reasonable ones who would at least listen) - Texas is a super rich state - for every Jim Bernhard or Pennington family that Louisiana has, Texas has a subdivision of those people. Fully 10% of the Forbes 400 has residence in Texas. So, while $200 million is not "nothing" it is certainly easier to shoulder if you spread that around to several hundred well-heeled billionaires and the much larger group of "high 8 and 9 figure" net worth people, of which Texas has thousands. It's a money juggernaut. Only California and New York have anything like that money, and it is too spread out, too diffuse and certainly doesn't care about football. The perfect storm.


Solid post.

The only difference or disagreement I might have is from an investment standpoint. In other words, these men did not get rich by being stupid or being from stupid families. As such, when they invest money, they expect monetary return. While there is no doubt Saban at UT would mean money in the pockets of the school, I don't see how this man or men get their $40m back...unless winning a few national titles is "good enough" return on investment.
Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:57 am to
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That's a helluva gamble.

Hardly. He is the best coach in college football and at the moment and arguably the best recruiter. He will bring in a massive amount of revenue to the University of Texas and to the Longhorn Network. If they land Saban it's a sure thing that they will be running through the Big 12 and making playoff appearances.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:57 am to
Guys they are fronting the money.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:58 am to
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I don't see how this man or men get their $40m back...unless winning a few national titles is "good enough" return on investment.


Well, many of them are already donating six figures or more to UT-Austin althetics. So the money guys go out and say - okay, we appreciate your genorosity - but, we're working on something big - can you dig down and find a way to double this for a couple of years? That's how word of all of this leaked out from the Texas side, anyway - they're have to drop the name to raise the money. They're not going to "double it" to hire a Stoops brother.

See how that works?
Posted by DeltaDoc
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:09 am to
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See how that works?


I see
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:13 am to
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you gotta remember, 200 mil is nothing to them, especially when their billionaire boosters are footing the bill


you know as outlandish as this sounds, the sad part is, its actually true...that is how much money that damn school has. Just in my closet alone is $2000 worth of gear that has been given to me since working there. They Nike Contract is damn near the size of Oregons...
Posted by 1970tiger
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:49 am to
It was said several time Texas has all the money it wants. The Bama people never understood this. I have clients there and do a lot of business in Houston. They donate whole wings to hospitals, schools, etc. There are subdivisions in Houston and I am sure Dallas, Austin, San Antonio that the property taxes each year are more than the average salary in Louisiana, Bama and several other states.

They make Louisiana and Alabama look poor, like they are.

I have been saying if Texas wanted to make the offer larger than public, they just have to get together 10 oil guys and put Saban in 10 oil deals as a carried working interest (he doesn't pay, The expenses come out of the income from the well. This is done a lot in oil deals) for 1 or 2 % and he could make $1million off each deal. That's $10million per year. It continues each year while there is production. Do that 5 times and figure the amount he would make.

Also think about how much Saban can make doing TV ads in Dallas and Houston, 2 of the top 8 markets in the US, Not to mention Austin and San Antonio.

Remember when Benson bought the Saints, the money was loaned to him by a lady from San Antonio who became his partner. He bought her out a few years back,


Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9568 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:57 am to
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You mean like they did to us when Bama hired Saban?


Yes. However, in fairness to Alabama fans at the time we were being destroyed by rival fans being called delusional idiots for even daring to think Saban would give us the time of day. We were catching hell from everyone and being made fun of publically during that coaching search especially by LSU fans. When he did end up at Alabama, the Alabama reaction was understandable given the circumstances.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 9:58 am
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:57 am to
Dayton McClane, former owner of the Astros, donated $200 million to Baylor to build their $250 million stadium. He denies it's that much. Baylor says the bulk of the donations came from 3 donors. $40 million is chump change to that.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 9:59 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:59 am to
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No one likes having their faces rubbed in it with such fervor especially while it's happening.


You mean like they did to us when Bama hired Saban?


Exactly.

The Bammers rubbed LSU's nose in it when they hired Saban. They are insufferable pieces of shite and I hope that program crashes and burns.


/rant
Posted by Old And Grumpy Tiger
Mountain Brook, AL
Member since Nov 2013
261 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:00 am to
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Paul is a graduate of Tenn. Why does he like UA so much?

Jumped on the UAT bandwagon after moving to Alabama years ago.
Bear Bryant.
Nick Saban.
He has verbally fellated both of them on his radio show for many years.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9568 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:08 am to
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It was said several time Texas has all the money it wants. The Bama people never understood this.



The "Bama people" do understand this.

The point Alabama people have been making is that Alabama could match any "reasonable public offer" that Texas made. The wildcard in this that I'm not sure many Alabama people understood is the millions in debt Saban got hoodwinked into from his LSU grad partner in deals in Baton Rouge and Houston. That wildcard is the difference in my opinion as Alabama rightfully isn't going to buy $25 million + in bad debt on top of a contract for Saban to coach another 4 years.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 10:10 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62971 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:15 am to
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Honestly if I was Bama at this point I would tell him to carry his arse.


Crazy. If I were Bama I'd make my best offer and require a response in short order.

The offer Bama made wasn't high enough...and it probably is significantly lower.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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108307 posts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:19 am to
I wonder if Saban could actually be the head coach of both Alabama and Texas. now here me out on this. it would basically be CEO like position. he could have Smart be his main man on Point at Bama and have bobbie williams/nussmeyer on point at Texas to get things up and running. he could split time on campus at both schools during the week and watch video/film of practices at night while his wife hangs out with Mathew McConoughy and Lance Armstrong.

They could schedule the games to be early/late soe there would be no conflict. he could continue to use Paul Bryant Jrs jet to zoom to the late game immediately after the first game is over or in the 3rd quarter if it is a blowout.

this way he doesn't piss off anyone and he can maximize his earning potential and dominate two conferences.
Posted by Rolltide10
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:19 am to
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hope that program crashes
it wont!!
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:49 am to
not a complete crash...more of a slow burn
Posted by Choctaw
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 11:34 am to
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I think they're just mad at all the trolling personally. That explains the comments on the Bama board at least. No one likes having their faces rubbed in it with such fervor especially while it's happening.


*cough* ATPB thread *cough*
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