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Not convinced Fisher is out of the picture
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:39 am
As someone who negotiates for a living, I am not convinced Fisher is out of the picture. There could be a very high stakes poker game still being played among agents for Fisher and Herman with LSU. There are probably other seats at the poker table including Orgeron and Fedora. There might be a coach yet to be named who wants to join the poker game.
When I think about Fisher reportedly turning down 6.5 mil and wanting more, I am reminded of the old joke about the guy negotiating for sex with the hot girl at the bar. She wants ten grand to play. He offers $1000. She says "$1000, do you take me for a whore"? He responds "I thought we established you were a whore and all we were down to is price".
So it is with Fisher. If he is asking for a lot more to be at LSU, it's established he is a figurative whore, meaning there is a price to move him from Florida State. Price is the issue.
LSU presumably wants Fisher but sees Herman as an almost equal consolation prize. I think it's true LSU has had serious talks with Herman. What's not clear is whether Herman's true game is to bring Texas to the table.
As is true in poker, another unknown is how much does Fisher truly want to coach at LSU. Could Sexton's real marching orders have been to ask for the sky, he can always come down.
If Fisher is still in the game, LSUs leverage is at us highest right now with the possibility LSU does have a deal in place with Herman. That leverage is lost if Texas gets a seat at the table and is Herman's real choice. That would not surprise anyone.
Alleva's stack of chips is all in. He needs one of the two. If Fisher truly wants to be at LSU, he can wait and see if Herman''s deal with LSU busts and then he holds the cards. Or he could miscalculate and lose a job he wanted while not gaining favor at Florida State for using them.
Finally, LSUs win last night did keep Orgeron's seat at the table and at least gives LSU some leverage with Fisher should Sexton believe Orgeron is a viable choice for Alleva.
If it's truly just about money, it might not be over for Fisher. The fat lady is still clearing her voice, this opera may not even be in the last act yet.
When I think about Fisher reportedly turning down 6.5 mil and wanting more, I am reminded of the old joke about the guy negotiating for sex with the hot girl at the bar. She wants ten grand to play. He offers $1000. She says "$1000, do you take me for a whore"? He responds "I thought we established you were a whore and all we were down to is price".
So it is with Fisher. If he is asking for a lot more to be at LSU, it's established he is a figurative whore, meaning there is a price to move him from Florida State. Price is the issue.
LSU presumably wants Fisher but sees Herman as an almost equal consolation prize. I think it's true LSU has had serious talks with Herman. What's not clear is whether Herman's true game is to bring Texas to the table.
As is true in poker, another unknown is how much does Fisher truly want to coach at LSU. Could Sexton's real marching orders have been to ask for the sky, he can always come down.
If Fisher is still in the game, LSUs leverage is at us highest right now with the possibility LSU does have a deal in place with Herman. That leverage is lost if Texas gets a seat at the table and is Herman's real choice. That would not surprise anyone.
Alleva's stack of chips is all in. He needs one of the two. If Fisher truly wants to be at LSU, he can wait and see if Herman''s deal with LSU busts and then he holds the cards. Or he could miscalculate and lose a job he wanted while not gaining favor at Florida State for using them.
Finally, LSUs win last night did keep Orgeron's seat at the table and at least gives LSU some leverage with Fisher should Sexton believe Orgeron is a viable choice for Alleva.
If it's truly just about money, it might not be over for Fisher. The fat lady is still clearing her voice, this opera may not even be in the last act yet.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:41 am to paper tiger
Haven't read the OP yet, but your title made me wanna
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:41 am to paper tiger
I'm done
Wake me up when the press conference starts
Wake me up when the press conference starts
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:41 am to paper tiger
I'm not reading that giant wall of text, but I agree that there's a possibility that Fisher is still in play, albeit a slim possibility.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:42 am to paper tiger
This was a good read. You are to good for this board.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:43 am to paper tiger
quote:this is what I think. My money is on someone other than Fisher and Herman, and quite possibly a surprise choice. I have two words that will describe LSU fans reactions to the new coach when announced: 'surprise' and 'disappointment'.
There might be a coach yet to be named who wants to join the poker game.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:43 am to paper tiger
I've been saying since October 5 that he will be the next HC. My stance hasn't changed.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:43 am to paper tiger
I didn't read the OP, but of course Fisher is not out of it yet. It's only 8:45 Friday morning.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:44 am to PairofDucks
quote:
I agree that there's a possibility that Fisher is still in play, albeit a slim possibility.
Serious question, based on what? The "jimbo has said no" narrative is all over this place but there's really nothing concrete that backs this up. Are we all going by the ESPN ticker?
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:47 am to Hot Carl
quote:
It's only 8:45 Friday morning.
UF/FSU is 7:00 Saturday night. We're not hearing anything until Sunday or Monday.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:47 am to paper tiger
I agree. Without any real competition, Fisher could negotiate without limit. LSU, at minimum, can tell Fisher "we're done. Take the offer or we are moving on." Anyone who negotiates for a living knows nothing gets done until there is a deadline/final off
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:49 am to Alt26
Once the deal with Herman falls through, Alleva will go back to Fisher and they'll work something out. It's that simple.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:50 am to I am GLORIOUS
Why would a recruit be trusted with information on a coaching search? That's my only question to you w/r/t your source.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:52 am to sicboy
quote:
The "jimbo has said no" narrative is all over this place but there's really nothing concrete that backs this up. Are we all going by the ESPN ticker?
I swear I've asked this question 3 or 4 times here and have not received one answer. It's like the Herman crowd have accepted this as fact and won't hear anything to the contrary.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:53 am to sicboy
quote:
Serious question, based on what? The "jimbo has said no" narrative is all over this place but there's really nothing concrete that backs this up. Are we all going by the ESPN ticker?
Based on the fact that the "reports" of Fisher staying at FSU are not concrete.
Who provided those reports? An agent? A message board?
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:53 am to paper tiger
It sounded like Jimbo was in just for more money than LSU thought he was worth. If the deal for Herman falls through i would guess Alleva would reevaluate how much he is worth.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:54 am to PairofDucks
quote:
Who provided those reports? An agent? A message board?
TAF?
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:54 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
If the 10 yrs 6.5 mil story is true. That sounds like a guy that was not real serious about leaving. That long of a deal is crazy
Posted on 11/25/16 at 8:54 am to paper tiger
So we have a fat whore singing at the poker table??? I'm down.
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