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re: Mike S. just said there is a good shot for Jack Del Rio....

Posted on 11/29/07 at 7:50 pm to
Posted by Rocket
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 7:50 pm to
I may call Big Rob up in a few days and "aks" him
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 7:52 pm to
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Glad you caught it!

It was a test...

Now I know you're not stupid, just uninformed!

SERIOUSLY...Nice catch! Didn't think you had it in you!


There are typos and then there's just the "YOUR an idiot syndrome" where you don't know that you don't know.

I'll forgive the error if you tell me what you know about Jack Del Rio that makes him the best HC for us. Hmmmm? Let's have it.
Posted by flucobaseball
VA
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 7:53 pm to
we need brian kelly
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 7:59 pm to
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I agree with the theory. But I don't want to wait on JDR if it's "a good shot". If he said in December he would take the job after the NFL season and it's guaranteed he's coming then yeah. But how likely is that? An NFL coach on his way to the playoffs doesn't say he'll take a college gig in the middle of the playoff run,



exactly. It's not worth the risk. What if they win the Super Bowl and gets a ginormous raise? Or if they make it and he wouldn't be available till signing week. It makes no sense to wait--too big of a gamble. And I don't mean recruiting, I mean finding another coach so late who's out of a job.
Posted by Moots
Gonzales, LA
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 8:29 pm to
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I'll forgive the error if you tell me what you know about Jack Del Rio that makes him the best HC for us. Hmmmm? Let's have it.


PiscesTiger-
Thanks for the offer but I think I'll manage to sleep tonight whether you "forgive" the error, or not!
I inadvertently typed "are" instead of "or"...funny, Yes! A felony, No!

I, along with others on this board, have already detailed the reason that we "think" JDR would be the best HC for LSU.
Now I don't "know" that he would be the best choice, anymore than you "know" he wouldn't be.

Why don't you answer my original question from when you labeled JDR "a risk".....Who's not a risk, in your opinion?

Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 8:38 pm to
Why is he a risk? Because I do not know how well or poorly he recruits. Does he like it? What kind of staff would he put together? What's his bread' butter? These are things we are somewhat familiar with when it comes to your Saban/Spurrier/Tuberville analysis. Del Rio might be the greatest thing since sliced bread or he might be the biggest bust waiting to happen. He's a risk because we have nothing to go by as far as what kind of coach would he be.

Here's why I do not see it happening...He's at a much greater low-risk job at Jax than he would ever have at an elite SEC program like LSU. he makes 7 figures in a good city that doesn't live ir die by what the Jaguars do. If he stays competitive at JAX, he keeps his job. How much more money could LSU pay him than what he's already got (no need to look it up as I assume you know and you'll tell me)? Does he know that "staying competitive" won't cut it at LSU? If he goes 6-6 next season, how many people want to off his head?

This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 8:38 pm
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 8:46 pm to
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ND didn't wait for Weiss. A$M didn't wait for Sherman.


Both were asst. coaches.
Sherman was the second choice at A&M, the guy that was the first recommended him.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62902 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:10 pm to
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YEah Mike was on local espn radio today up here. As soon as he heard that RP was starting he switched to say Tenn would win. He just ripped RP.


I didn't hear it, but it's a fair assessment considering that RP hasn't had any meaningful snaps in a long, long time.
Posted by Moots
Gonzales, LA
Member since Nov 2007
979 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:12 pm to
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These are things we are somewhat familiar with when it comes to your Saban/Spurrier/Tuberville analysis. Del Rio might be the greatest thing since sliced bread or he might be the biggest bust waiting to happen.


PiscesTiger-
I hear what you're saying...

Maybe the "questions" or "risk factors" surrounding JDR are different than some of the other mentioned candidates. But they all have issues...

Start with the three you name, Saban/Spurrier/Tuberville

Anyone of these three are "hated" with a passion by a significant portion, if not a majority of LSU fans.

You can find all you want, both pro and con, concerning all of them on this board so I won't revisit it.

I think Cash in an earlier post addressed the recruiting concerns about JDR.

I don't know that he's the magic answer, but he's young, motivated, high energy and has HC'ing experience and a nice resume. Maybe most importantly, if you can believe the rumors...is super interested in the LSU position!

This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 9:14 pm
Posted by Cash
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:14 pm to
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Both were asst. coaches.


thank you Captain Obvious

quote:

Sherman was the second choice at A&M, the guy that was the first recommended him


What in the Wide World of Sports is your point?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62902 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:15 pm to
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Del Rio might be the greatest thing since sliced bread or he might be the biggest bust waiting to happen. He's a risk because we have nothing to go by as far as what kind of coach would he be.


Del Rio is a young energetic guy. Recruiting shouldn't be a problem at a school like LSU. He has instant credibility as a successful NFL guy (unlike Saban).

His risk will be in hiring an offensive coordinator. If he were smart, he'd keep Crowton and turn the offense over to him.

Could very easily be a home run.

I'd rather Del Rio and Crowton over Spurrier.
Posted by JVTiger
Member since Nov 2004
2489 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:17 pm to
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We really have no idea about this guy and he may not even wanna touch the college game.


What? You think he's expressed interest in the LSU job b/c he doesn't want to touch the college game?

And what kid wouldn't want to play for an NFL Head Coach.

And coaching isn't rocket science. If he's successful in the pros, he can be successful in College.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476126 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:17 pm to
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Because I do not know how well or poorly he recruits

recruiting isn't rocket science

recruiting to LSU isn't hard

quote:

What kind of staff would he put together?

the boosters would have as much to say about this as he would, and they've done ok with bo p/crowton

quote:

What's his bread' butter?

uh...defense and running the ball?

quote:

He's a risk because we have nothing to go by as far as what kind of coach would he be

he's prolly one of the top 10 coaches in the NFL

he's almost a clone of pete carroll, but a better Xs and Os guy
Posted by LSU9102
West of the Mississippi
Member since Mar 2007
2524 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:25 pm to
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Mike S. just said there is a good shot for Jack Del Rio


I guess the S stands for Scarborough. They were making fun of him all morning on 1560am in Houston after he whined to them yesterday that the reason we lost to Arky was because the game was on Fri not Sat.


Fricking moron--we've been playing them on Fri after Thaksgiving for at least 10 years


He has no cred in my book.
Posted by JVTiger
Member since Nov 2004
2489 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:26 pm to
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I'll forgive the error if you tell me what you know about Jack Del Rio that makes him the best HC for us. Hmmmm? Let's have it.


Let me help you out:

Jack Del Rio, former New Orleans Saint player and coach and Head Coach of an NFL comes into a kid's home and if you don't think a kid will be impressed, you don't know kids. He's 44 and hungry.

Spurrier is not so hungry. His recruiting went down at UF and he left Zook with nothing. It took Zook to leave Urban with players. He failed with the Skins and he's not cutting it with USC. Doing about what Lou Holtz did. He's past his prime. He's won one SEC title in the past 10 years. He's Lou Holtz all over again. His time has passed.

Saban lost a great deal of credibility with a lot of people including HS coaches with his antics of late. If he leaves again to come here, both he and LSU will be a laughing stock. And frankly since that Cap One game when his team imploded, he's yet to have a signature win.

Del Rio did what Spurrier and Saban could not do. Win in the NFL.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:28 pm to
How many recruits homes has Del Rio been in? One thing they do have that Del Rio doesn't is championships. Let look at the last couple of guys that went from the pros to college Wandstatt and Callahan. I'm not sure just cause you've coached with the big boys automatically makes you successful with 18 yr old kids.
Posted by KGSoloMan5000
Member since Mar 2007
1685 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:36 pm to
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I'll forgive the error if you tell me what you know about Jack Del Rio that makes him the best HC for us. Hmmmm? Let's have it.


Daughter went to LSU + Wife is from Louisiana + Never coached college, never recruited, and was 34-31 as a head coach going into this year = Kick arse LSU head coach!
This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 9:40 pm
Posted by Moots
Gonzales, LA
Member since Nov 2007
979 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 9:58 pm to
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How many recruits homes has Del Rio been in? One thing they do have that Del Rio doesn't is championships. Let look at the last couple of guys that went from the pros to college Wandstatt and Callahan. I'm not sure just cause you've coached with the big boys automatically makes you successful with 18 yr old kids.


People, you'll talk about "recruiting" like it's equivalent to landing the space shuttle!

It's not rocket science. He's a young, high energy coach who's played and coached at the highest level, trying to win over an 18 yr old kid, don't try and over complicate it. As I said earlier I think Cash's approach would be pretty effective.

You can play the "doubt" game with anyone.
For example, take Spurrier, yes he has a championship.
But, I'm not sure a 62 year old coach that won a NC over a decade ago and just went 6-6 and lost his last 5 games of the season in the answer.

How does he recruit, obviously he doesn't, look at SC's talent.
Maybe something like, "Son, remember me, I coached UF to a NC back when you were 6 or 7 years old."

That should win them over!



Posted by DvlsAdvocat
Your Mom's House, AL
Member since Jul 2007
24491 posts
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:03 pm to
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Also don't want to look like Bama last year with no coach for months, mulitple names mentioned for job only to be turned down by Del Rio in the end.



I hate to split hairs here, but it was 1 month and 4 days from Shula's firing to Saban's hire.

And don't take every name you see thrown around in media reports and message boards as the gospel. Just because someone is claimed to be a candidate by the media, it doesn't mean they actually are. Alot of the speculation, rumors, and claims we are reading the last two weeks have not panned out, and are in fact smokescreens or diversions used by agents and administrators, often with no basis in reality. The real work is ALWAYS done behind the scenes.
Just because Michigan interviewed the assistants Carr left behind, does it mean they are real candidates? If they don't get the job does it mean they rejected Michigan? No. Was Tubby ever a real candidate at A&M? It appears not, since they hired Sherman so fast. Was Nutt ever to stay at Arkansas? I think if he lost to LSU, he would have been fired the next morning.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:05 pm to
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What in the Wide World of Sports is your point?


they really wanted Kubiak, they got his asst coach
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