re: Mel Tucker sucks as a d-coordinator (spreadsheet inside)

Maybe, but I'm trying to keep the numbers objective.

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And second, this is what Tucker defenders love to say when they trot him out as a viable candidate. "He has an elite resume"

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I haven't seen this. I've seen the opposite. But the Mel Tucker hype isn't based on him coaching defense. It's mostly based on things that are charted in a spreadsheet.

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But the Mel Tucker hype

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There's no hype. No LSU fan wants him, including me.

But I also don't like to see good coaches bashed by bullshite stats and incorrect info.

What was bull shite and incorrect about the stats I posted?

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Would you prefer Jimbo over Mel or Napier?

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None of those three are on my list, maybe Napier at 5 or 6.

Jimbo: I think modern offense has passed him by.

Tucker: needs to establish himself as a head coach. May be a huge prospect in a couple years.

Napier: Has built an established G5 program. Still lots of questions, but I would pick him first off this list.

My list is (out of somewhat realistic candidates)

Riley/Kiffin 1A/1B
Dave Aranda
Matt Campbell


Then maybe Napier

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I'm completely against hiring Mel Tucker, but trying to say his defenses in college were bad when he consistently ranks inside the top 15 in all of college football is a little ridiculous. You're taking the one thing that is a massive positive for him and trying to turn it into a negative. His DC stats in college are actually pretty damn impressive.

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There is a difference between saying his defenses were bad and he's a bad d-coordinator (which is why I edited the thread title a bit ago).

His NFL defenses were bad.

In college, talent can also mask coaching deficiencies (see 2019 LSU; see most Les Miles LSU teams).

His college defenses (outside of Colorado) have been good, but it's because he inherited good defenses. When he took over Georgia's defense, they were 2nd the year prior and immediately dropped to 14th, peaked at 8th in his last year there, and jumped to 1st the year after he left.

Good defense, bad coordinator.

When he was at OSU as co-DC, he took over a unit 4th in SP+ and turned them 11th.

Colorado was bad when he got there--58th--and he made them worse--78th.

Michigan State is the first time in his career that the unit he inherited didn't get worse under his watch.

If he were this elite DC, you wouldn't expect numbers like this. Instead, you'd expect him to have improved the units he took over at least some of the time.

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So those are national numbers?

Dude, you aren't making the point you think you are.

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Sure he is...his performance is relative to what he started with and what the next person did right after he left.

which means, he accomplished very little with the squads he was given. and the next guy did better

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Sure he is...his performance is relative to what he started with and what the next person did right after he left.

which means, he accomplished very little with the squads he was given. and the next guy did better

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That's not what it means at all. The difference in No. 2 and No. 8 or even No. 14 is nominal.

Characterizing a defense that goes from No. 2 to No. 8 in four years as some kind of negative is a joke.

Tucker had at least two different nfl teams in the top 5 defenses.

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Nope. You made that up. That never happened.

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Depends on how you define "top 5 defense"

Is it points? Yards? Interceptions?

The way people are posting misleading stats to promote or discredit coaches, who knows.

According to his wiki page, he was top 5 twice in NFL defense. It doesn't specify which category.