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re: Mack Brown to Resign | The Search For His Replacement

Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:09 am to
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25716 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:09 am to
Got ya marked down.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14951 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:09 am to
Sorry for the wall of text. This is beingreal's tweet novel.

BREAKING:Toot my horn a bit. If you followed my Mack Brown TL u know I was giving details before media sniffed this story.

Now there's major change again that you wont see anywhere else. Take it to the bank. With that here we go. Mack Brown was told in NYC a change had to be made due record, direction,loss of season ticket renewals and loss of Donor support.

Mack Brown was given two options. The first that UT could buy out contract and release him, or he could resign and receive the buyout, salary thru 2020 and a title like DKR, Mack Brown this privilege and was assured it would remain confidential. Mack Brown then traveled to FL fo recruiting and Patterson returned to austin.

While in FL Mack Brown received word the story was out and was livid. Patterson assured him they would give him cover and call it Mack Browns decision to make.Patterson did not want to be seen as Jerry Jones firing Tom Landry. Pres Powers joined in and everyone said decision was Mack Browns to make.

Enter National Media and 24/7 coverage. Forced to continue the cover story and with his agent calling media reports false, over time the one thing happened that UT did not want. It lost control of the situation. Mack Brown came to realize that the cover story had now become FACT. He does control his own destiny and can make his own decision.

Mack Brown wanted to discuss further. Patterson does not. Mack Brown was told the school did not want to miss any chance it might have with Saban and wants Mack Brown out per their agreement. Patterson sources say is STUCK. He does NOT want to FIRE the coach but if forced to retain him into 2014 he would FIRE Mack Brown at the first sign the team was not a National Championship Contender and only provide the contract buyout and NO more. Buyout is different as of Jan 1 2014 by the way.

Bottom line due to unintentional GAFF, Mack Brown now DOES have the final decision. UNLESS, Powers is terminated by the Board of Regents today. If that happens, Mack Brown will be fired tomorrow if he doesn't resign as the Board wants him OUT. Clear as mud? Brown will be meeting with Patterson and I will have details on Mack Browns decision as I know more.

I can tell you personal friends of Mack Brown are encouraging him to step down and he is still expected to do so at the football banquet tomorrow night. He simply wants to make one more attempt to sell them that Mack Brown can bring UT back to elite status. Even Mack Brown does not believe that will be possible in 2014. I will provide additional details as I learn them. Fluid Situaiton

I think that's it...
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:09 am to
all 20 of being real's tweets are interesting, if they all play out true - who do we think it is behind the tweets?
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:09 am to
Hinesville is where they shot Deliverance. Saban goes on a pilgrimage there every year.
Posted by Haughtonboy
kansas
Member since Nov 2011
1753 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:10 am to
I'm glad you've retained some of you 9th grade Psych class. I'm over my grief of losing Saban. I will say, however, it will give me great joy watching y'alls pretentious asses embracing yours.this is just the sadist in me
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46506 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:10 am to
quote:

He hasn't yet. I don't know what his agent
wants from Bama but I doubt its money.


ok, now i know you are trolling
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
6747 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:10 am to
Hard to stay completely update and study for my final, but, objectively speaking, where does this thing stand? From my point of view, it looks like this:

Facts:

Per Finebaum, late last week, Saban had an extension at Bama that he was signing. End of story.

Per Finebaum, that contract remains unsigned and Bama insiders are getting slightly nervous.

Per Battle, the focus is on the Sugar Bowl, OU, and recruiting. And "no comment."

Sexton and a UT booster were at least in contact in January, not that this tells us a ton.

Many ESPN talking heads have said that UT must at least make a pitch to Saban.

Some others and some reporters, like Herbstreit and Low and have given their opinion that he won't leave, but both has either admitted his ignorance or shown to be clueless in the past.

Two separate small time beat writers that are do not follow UT (TCU and Arizona) have both claimed he will be the next coach at Texas.

Numerous reporters have stated that Mack Brown is done and out as soon as tonight or Friday.

Per the picture from earlier in the thread, Battle and Brown were talking in NYC as recently as early this week/this weekend, whenever it was.

Per various recruits, Saban is staying.

We can't be 100% an offer has been made, but you have to figure one was at least thrown out there by UT even if all of this is just an inordinate amount of smoke.

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Seems like fact, but I don't have the links on hand to provide:

Saban is at the very least, possibly, still in a legitimate amount of debt from numerous failed investments.

The Sabans did indeed close on a house in Austin recently.
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The Texas Insiders:

Per McPhaul, it's a done deal

Per the tweet from earlier in the thread, Saban is already contemplating his staff.

Per beingreal, on twitter, Saban is not coming. Admittedly, this guy popped up just this week with insider sources at UT.
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What Does It Mean? The Inferences and Rumors

The flight-tracking. There was certainly a lot of inferences made the first day. All of that was possible, but there is no way to be for sure.

Yesterday's flight tracking was interesting though. You can almost guarantee Saban was on that plane, but it was owned by what appears to be a Bama booster and it merely landed in all the spots where Saban was recruiting for the day. At best, this would be neutral evidence of anything.

Lots of talk that Saban's debt has played a heavy role in negotiations, but I have not seen that anywhere legitimate.

Folks holding themselves out to know Bama insiders have suggested that he's staying, while others have said they are nervous.

Folks holding themselves out to know UT insiders, have suggested he's coming, while others have said he's staying.

At the very least, I think he's either weighing the UT offer v. the extension and making a decision or stringing Bama along for more and more money.

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
Well boys and girls here is the Missing 15 million. 25.5 for the apartment complex and 14 is 39.5 million maybe another few hundred here and there to pay attorneys fees etc for an even 40 Million just like the poster on here stated. Who was that unreliable insider again? (LOL)

If the donors have already spent the money then Brown is a walking dead man and his attorney Joe Jamal will know this and tell him to take the deal. If Not the BOG will fire both Mack and the UT President as the medic says which makes the deal to take Bama's president and Saban talked about on another CC post look like it makes sense.

ARTICLE in local Business Report yesterday regarding a recent $14 Million dollar loan payoff/refi for Rouzan. If I remember correctly, I believe Saban was involved in this real estate development project with Spinosa, too (as he was also involved in Perkins Rowe with Spinosa, which went south). Last year a local businessman (Enquist) bought the note from the original lender and was apparently paid off this week or last.

There's been a few other comments made here on the CC Board (ETA: by TheDoc and possibly others) stating some big wigs at UT have recently paid off


Saban's debt as a "down payment" towards his new coaching salary/position at UT.

Coincidence? Or could this be proof of the next step in the hiring of Saban to UT? FWIW - I don't know many banks around that would want to make a $14 million loan on vacant land to a guy with as much financial trouble as Spinosa is rumored to be having.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
quote:

I'm over my grief of losing Saban


Where did that come from in the discussion?
I'm not entirely sure you are over it.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
Looks like the UT BOR will need a new plane once CNS becomes coach.

Word is he refuses to fly on anything but a jet. $4M King Air 350 not good enough for ole Nicky
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Fluid Situaiton



invalidates everything that he just wrote. Essentially means "None of what I just said is reliable".
Posted by Captain Ron
Location: Ted's
Member since Dec 2012
4340 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
quote:

all 20 of being real's tweets are interesting, if they all play out true - who do we think it is behind the tweets?


Mack Brown
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25716 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
This guy has been throwing shite against a wall all week.

He claimed Mack Brown is going to Nebraska.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to
quote:

But hey, if it wasn't for speculating on Bama fan's innermost feelings, 90% of this board wouldn't exist.


Don't flatter yourself, Sally.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62586 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:12 am to
quote:

. Stating saban cares about bama because he took a pay cut to go there

Well he did. He and his wife really seem to like it in Tuscaloosa. We got him as a hired gun, but they've really taken to the place. It was a surprise, unexpected. We'll take it.

Anyways I think he was referring to Saban enjoying the University of Alabama, the campus, and his role at the Capstone. That's not the same thing as "Saban loves us all"
Posted by TheSandman
Waffle House
Member since Nov 2010
19516 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:12 am to
Recap from @tex09413171

quote:

BREAKING: Toot my horn a bit .If you followed my Mack Brown timeline, you know I was giving details before media sniffed this story. Now there's a major change again that you won't see anywhere else. Take it to the bank. With that, here we go.

Mack Brown was told in NYC a change had to be made due to record, direction, loss of season ticket renewals and loss of Donor support. Mack Brown was given two options. The first that UT could buy out contract and release him, or he could resign and receive the buyout, salary through 2020, and a title like DKR. Mack Brown chose the resignation route but asked to first complete recruiting trip, tell the team and staff, and do this in Austin. Mack Brown was given this privilege and was assured it would remain confidential.

Mack Brown then traveled to FL fo recruiting and Patterson returned to Austin. While in Florida, Mack Brown received word the story was out and was livid. Patterson assured him they would give him cover and call it Mack Brown's decision to make. Patterson did not want to be seen as Jerry Jones firing Tom Landry. Pres. Powers joined in and everyone said that the decision was Mack Brown's to make.

Enter National Media and 24/7 coverage. Forced to continue the cover story and with his agent calling media reports false, over time the one thing happened that UT did not want: It lost control of the situation. Mack Brown came to realize that the cover story had now become FACT. He does control his own destiny and can make his own decision. Mack Brown wanted to discuss further, Patterson does not. Mack Brown was told the school did not want to miss any chance it might have with Saban and wants Mack Brown out per their agreement.

Patterson, sources say, is STUCK. He does NOT want to FIRE the coach but if forced to retain him into 2014 he would FIRE Mack Brown at the first sign the team was not a National Championship Contender and only provide the contract buyout, and NO more (Buyout is different as of Jan 1 2014 by the way). Bottom line, due to unintentional GAFF, Mack Brown now DOES have the final decision. UNLESS, Powers is terminated by the Board of Regents today. If that happens, Mack Brown will be fired tomorrow if he doesn't resign as the Board wants him OUT.

Clear as mud? Brown will be meeting with Patterson and I will have details on Mack Browns decision as I know more. I can tell you personal friends of Mack Brown are encouraging him to step down and he is still expected to do so at the football banquet tomorrow night. He simply wants to make one more attempt to sell them that Mack Brown can bring UT back to elite status. Even Mack Brown does not believe that will be possible in 2014. I will provide additional details as I learn them.

Fluid Situaiton.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 11:13 am
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
6747 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:12 am to
I'm guessing if he's in Hinesville, then he's visiting Raekwon McMillan. I believe that's where he's from
Posted by Haughtonboy
kansas
Member since Nov 2011
1753 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:12 am to
No, I love me some Les. I really like Saban. I just hate Bama
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 11:15 am
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:12 am to
I thought Mack killed himself in Florida??
Posted by PhillyTide
The One Who Knocks
Member since Oct 2011
228 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:13 am to
CBS using twitter as a source?

A source tells SportRadio 610 that if Mack Brown does not resign as University of Texas football coach before a Board of Regents meeting on Thursday he will be removed from the position. No date was provided on when that removal would happen.

That same source tells SportsRadio 610 that Brown, 62, was prepared to resign this week after 16 seasons as the Longhorns head football coach, but was not happy when news of the story leaked before he could tell his players and coaching staff. It is expected that he will resign, but if he doesn’t, the Board of Regents needs a majority of it’s members to vote for his ouster, and SportsRadio 610 has been told they have the votes.


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