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re: Let's talk Ed O's hires so far
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:21 pm to BilJ
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:21 pm to BilJ
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no I've gotten some pretty good specifics that its a bad relationship both want out of. If you're putting in for the Rice job while making what he is here, you're looking to get the hell out of dodge
I've heard all the rumors. He was still brought in to change the offensive identity and he's done that. If he wants to chop his own dick off financially because he can't swallow his own pride for the third time in 3 years, then maybe Orgeron isn't the issue here. If anything Orgeron made that shite work over the last two months. He doesn't deserve a cookie for it, but its not the condemnation you're making it sound like.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:21 pm to BilJ
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total autonomy
Link?
(there is no link, because this never happened)
You are taking a comment about letting the coordinators do their thing, and turning it into "total autonomy"
No assistant coach has total autonomy, nor should they have. I certainly would never give total autonomy to a subordinate, if my multi-million dollar job was on the line.
If Canada supposedly had total autonomy, then why has he not hired his own offensive assistants?
Because no such autonomy ever existed.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:22 pm to Nissanmaxima
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Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and go and discuss that topic with him, lets see what answer he would give you
sure line me up a meeting
what a stupid fricking thing to say, you think he's going to beat me up? if so, then you think he's dumber than I.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:22 pm to CBandits82
quote:this is why people don't understand what all was going on with lsu this year and how o actually did an admirable job managing the problems.
Remember, this isn't some re-build. This dude was hired to sustain and improve
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:23 pm to BilJ
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So in your opinion what has O done well?
stays the hell out of Aranda's way
Look i wasnt pro O and im not sold on him. However you're obviously one of those people that didn't get their hire last year so you will just hate on the current coach regardless of his improvement/performance. It must be miserable to be like this. If you can't think of one positive besides he leaves Aranda alone then you're being willfully ignorant in order to push your agenda.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:24 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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, but its not the condemnation
its condemning when 3 games in you come to the realization you hate his offense and want to totally change what makes his offense go.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:28 pm to BilJ
the whole "coordinator is unhappy" crap is so overblown. i know from the inside that payton keeps his coordinators on edge because he wants them coaching for their job every week. there are always going to be things at work you don't like. at least canada didn't quit on the team like chavis did. that turd cost us the game against nd and i'm still mad about it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
total autonomy might be strong wording, but when you try and scrap the offense identity and insist upon the QB running it....well then that's not what I would call not meddling either
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:41 pm to bfniii
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people always look at these things in a vacuum.
I'm looking at it in reality, The teams he beat have shite records..the teams he lost to don't...well, he did lose to Troy because he forgot he was a figurehead and tried to meddle in the offense, but even they have a 9-2 record, I'm surprised he managed to keep the game as close as he did.
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lsu's sos is not bad. sagarin has lsu at 60, bama at 54, uga at 48, msu at 53 so lsu isn't so far off from those teams. espn fpi has lsu at 20.
built largely on the teams he lost to.
Thats Orgeron's MO, beat the shite teams, lose to the good ones and build a decent but not great record..and every once in a while pull off a win against a really good team (Stanford, Auburn)
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:44 pm to BilJ
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totally change what makes his offense go.
No one knows for sure, but I don't believe this actually happened either. I think it was more along the lines of slowing down the implementation of the new offense so the young offensive line could learn and adjust to all the shifting.
It was a mistake and likely cost us the Troy game, but the offense was not doing well at the time and as head coach it is Orgeron's job to fix problems.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:46 pm to BilJ
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its condemning when 3 games in you come to the realization you hate his offense and want to totally change what makes his offense go.
His offense looked like hot dog shite, any coach in America would have stepped in and done something about it. Whatever he did, it worked.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:47 pm to BilJ
Why didn’t you provide an assessment of O’s special teams coordinator?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:51 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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any coach in America would have stepped in and done something about it.
you don't hit the panic button when a new offense does not immediately gel. Sorry not every coach in america would do this
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Whatever he did, it worked.
No it failed miserably and we lost to Troy. Then had to be told by his AD to step out.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:57 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No one knows for sure, but I don't believe this actually happened either. I think it was more along the lines of slowing down the implementation of the new offense so the young offensive line could learn and adjust to all the shifting.
Dellinger from the week before the Florida game...
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The drama last week leading up to Saturday’s 24-21 loss to Troy is in the past, they say. Last week’s offensive instability — the temporary abandonment of offensive coordinator Matt Canada’s system — is over, they say.
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Orgeron revealed Monday that he inserted himself into Canada’s system last week. He hoped to “simplify” it by eliminating the presnap shifts and motions to help a struggling offensive line that started two true freshmen.
Clapp and left tackle KJ Malone said they felt no difference operating in the more simplified offense. Presnap movement more affects the skill players, they said, specifically the receivers and running backs.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:13 pm to BilJ
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no issue at all with him hiring an OC that he found out he disagreed philosophically with 3 games in? No issue at all with him running his first major hire off after 1 year in? Super coordinator model and he flubbed up the first hire
With all due respect, it was game 5 that has everyone talking. In those 5 games, the offense was not clicking and OL was a mess at best. The defense not healthy and young but on the field the majority of the time. The offense was not doing it's job of controlling the clock and executing possessions. I have no problem with the HC trying to dial that in for the overall good for game plan
Back on topic, I don't like the Joseph hire but Jabbar had to be replaced with a NOLA guy at least for now. recruiting has picked up and he could be replaced IMO. It seems like O is tagging teaming NOLA with him and if that is the case, a true WR coach might be sought. Plenty out there right now!
Indications are that Canada may end up not being a fit which sucks but then again, maybe he is a well-paid professional and sticks it out the rest of his deal.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:24 pm to BilJ
We'll see next season if this job is too much for O. If it is, we just move on and go after the next Saban. If O fails, that'll probably be it for Alleva too, so there's that.
Like I always say, I'm just glad Les is history. Glad too that the LSU ship has sailed for Jimbo. I never wanted Jimbo.
Like I always say, I'm just glad Les is history. Glad too that the LSU ship has sailed for Jimbo. I never wanted Jimbo.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:27 pm to Le Tenia
this thing is so coordinator dependent. as others have said it's nothing more than a house of cards. as long as canada and aranda are here and O leaves them alone i will feel fine. but is that any way to run a program? in a few years when they both are gone what then? O will have to hit a grand slam to keep the machine going.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:45 pm to Skillet
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just move on and go after the next Saban
You trust Alleva with this?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:46 pm to Skillet
A few sane people still think O is the wrong man for the job
Only positive stuff here!!
Only positive stuff here!!
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