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Joe Brady is there any chance
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:34 pm
He goes the college route now that he has been fired?
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:39 pm to Tiger Tracker
Remember that insider that was saying Scott reached out to Brady for HC
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:41 pm to TigerDavid35
No. He hates recruiting and will likely stay in the NFL. And his next gig likely won’t even be as an OC.
His story is kind of “too much too soon” imo. I think his role in 2019 is exaggerated. He will probably be a WR coach in the NFL next
His story is kind of “too much too soon” imo. I think his role in 2019 is exaggerated. He will probably be a WR coach in the NFL next
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:19 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Ty very much didn’t know much about the situation just saw that he was fired ty for the explanation
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:42 am to TigerDavid35
Honestly, something that hasn't been brought up yet with Brady ... why don't the Bengals gauge his interest on being PGC? Put him back with Burrow and Chase and just watch the touchdowns roll in.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:45 am to SeanLSU
quote:because their HC calls his own plays and runs his own offense.
why don't the Bengals gauge his interest on being PGC
They're doing alright
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:36 am to sweetwaterbilly
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I think his role in 2019 is exaggerated.
Ok, not to argue but just to make a point...
In 2018, LSU had Joe Burrow, CEH, Justin Jefferson, Chase, Thad Moss, etc...
With those same players in 2019, look at the difference. That's not all a year of player development that led to that season. It's much more than that.
Brady called all the plays between the 20s. That, along with working with the WRs and Burrow, were his main responsibilities. Over half of LSU's offensive points scored in 2019 were scored from outside the red zone- Brady's department.
Brady's role was not "exaggerated" at all. That season wouldn't have happened without him, period. Am I saying he should be OC at LSU now? No, I am not, but his role in 2019 was critical. He had the perfect personnel for his philosophy and he maximized it brilliantly. The only game that wasn't won in a convincing, dominating fashion that year was Auburn. Even the Bama game was a blowout much bigger than the final score would lead one to believe.
Nothing but respect for Brady from me. What he did for LSU in 2019, I'll always hold both him and Ensminger in the highest regard for it. If Kelly were to hire Brady back, I'd be happy with it... and the rest of the SEC would be terrified.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:50 am to TigerAxeOK
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Ok, not to argue but just to make a point...
This man gets it. The season would absolutely not have happened without Joe Brady....
Posted on 12/10/21 at 4:11 am to TigerDavid35
quote:Yes.
Joe Brady is there any chance
He goes the college route now that he has been fired?
He or his agent were in contact with colleges prior to his firing. Rhule got word of that and it had a substantial effect on the timing of Brady's dismissal.
Rhule wanted a run-heavy offense. Really wasn't in Brady's wheelhouse, especially with a mediocre line and injured star RB. Rhule felt Brady had already moved on from Carolina mentally in the job search.
The word I've gotten is several college programs were interested and in contact, presumably one being LSU. But the "noisy" one (i.e., the one Rhule heard about prior to Brady's dismissal) was Miami. There were indiscreet communications between UM officials and Brady following the Panthers loss to the Dolphins in November. Rhule was informed and decided to fire Brady.
I've also heard there could be interest in Brady as OC for the Cincinnati Bengals, which may be complicating/delaying the decision to return to CFB.
Anyway it turns out, Brady seems set to hit the ground running
Posted on 12/10/21 at 5:54 am to TigerDavid35
As much as y’all tell us the entire script has been flipped on Joe Brady and now 2 years later he ain’t worth a shite, do you ever sit back and think maybe the dudes goals and objectives could’ve changed him and maybe now he wants to come back to college FB?
He won’t come here bc Woody and Kelly probably “can’t control him”, but it’s definitely a mistake on our part and we’ll pay for it.
He won’t come here bc Woody and Kelly probably “can’t control him”, but it’s definitely a mistake on our part and we’ll pay for it.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 6:09 am to TigerAxeOK
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n 2018, LSU had Joe Burrow, CEH, Justin Jefferson, Chase, Thad Moss, etc...
With those same players in 2019, look at the difference. That's not all a year of player development that led to that season. It's much more than that.
I think it's silly to consider it the same team, because the players were on the roster.
Burrow was a first year starter in 2018. I believe quarterbacks can make a huge stride from one season to the next.
Clyde was a backup to a less talented RB in Brossette. Chase was a Freshman who I believed also missed time. Jefferson was a Sophomore, but Jonathan Giles was your #1 WR in 2018.
Moss was injured in 2018 I believe? If wrong, forgive my memory. He was definitely healthy in 2019.
The entire Oline was a year more seasoned and full of nothing but Juniors/Seniors in 2019. This alone is huge. In comparison there were quite a few Sophomores in 2018. You also added Ed Ingram to an already stacked line in 19. He was suspended in 2018.
I just think it's short sighted to consider 2018 the same type of team as 2019. Far more experience together. You saw it coming together at the end of 2018. There was no Brady when Burrow threw for ~400 yards 4TDs against UCF. I remember an SI article before 2019 stating to lookout for Burrow as a sleeper Heisman candidate and LSU to potentially make a run.
I also believe it helps that you had an elite coach like Brady specifically working with the wide receivers. That kind of dedication is going to yield elite results, IMO.
With all that said I would gladly take Joe Brady. I think he is sharp and his confidence works well with college players. I also believe he would be an elite recruiter. As much as he was not into it before I do believe that can change.
I am usually of the mindset that you should hire the best coaches and not worry if they will leave quickly. That means you were successful. However, I would still be concerned that Brady would be gone after just one year of success yet again.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 6:11 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:53 am to TigerAxeOK
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Brady called all the plays between the 20s. That, along with working with the WRs and Burrow, were his main responsibilities. Over half of LSU's offensive points scored in 2019 were scored from outside the red zone- Brady's department.
I always heard that Brady called third downs and red zone plays. What you have stated seems opposite of what I've always heard. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think I did. Note that our red zone efficiency went way up from 2018 to 2019.
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With those same players in 2019, look at the difference. That's not all a year of player development that led to that season. It's much more than that.
I think receiver development had a lot to do with it and I think Brady deserves a lion share of the credit, bringing in certain practice techniques that paid big dividends.
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Am I saying he should be OC at LSU now? No, I am not, but his role in 2019 was critical.
My sentiments exactly.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 8:22 am to beauchristopher
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Clyde was a backup to a less talented RB in Brossette. Chase was a Freshman who I believed also missed time. Jefferson was a Sophomore, but Jonathan Giles was your #1 WR in 2018.
Clyde did not fit that offense as well as Nick did. 2019 offense was much different. Even so he had about the same (slightly better) YPC as Nick.
Giles only played in 8 games in 2018. Literally every offensive player who appeared in 8 or more games who caught a pass caught more than Giles. That includes CEH, Chase, Marshall, and Jefferson. Jefferson was the leading receiver by a wide margin. 2018 was littered with drops by receivers, even Jefferson. The catch ratio of the 2019 team was as good as I have ever seen, by my recollection.
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I just think it's short sighted to consider 2018 the same type of team as 2019. Far more experience together. You saw it coming together at the end of 2018. There was no Brady when Burrow threw for ~400 yards 4TDs against UCF.
UCF was the 115th ranked passing offense. but that did foreshadow the coming season.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:57 am to TigerDavid35
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:50 pm to TigerDavid35
He’s going to ole miss
Posted on 12/10/21 at 4:26 pm to TigerAxeOK
quote:I made this analogy in another post, and I think it's worth repeating:quote:
I think his role in 2019 is exaggerated.
Ok, not to argue but just to make a point...
In 2018, LSU had Joe Burrow, CEH, Justin Jefferson, Chase, Thad Moss, etc...
With those same players in 2019, look at the difference. That's not all a year of player development that led to that season. It's much more than that.
Think of offenses like you would a race car team.
You have a driver, and you have the car (and all the mechanics and engineers designing and maintaining that car). Brady (and Peetz for that matter) are the engineers, coming up with new plays designed to twist defenses around. They are making that "car" as solid as possible. High horsepower, good gear ratio, suspension etc. Ensminger was the driver, calling the plays. He had experience and a feel, knew when he could push things. Sensed when something would work.
Ensminger without Brady is a guy with a 60's Indy Car, that just can't handle and perform like a new car can. Brady (or Peetz) by himself is like any office engineer behind the wheel of an Indy Car, doesn't have the "feel" yet, might lag behind going a few mph less than he could, or might lose it in a curve and hit the wall.
I think Ensminger knew/saw on the fly what was working, and what WOULD work; and then Brady knew what plays Ensminger was asking for.
Without Brady's playbook, Ensminger was limited. Without Ensminger calling, the playbook was just a bunch of random plays.
I don't know about Brady at Carolina, but with Peetz, there was only one game where you could tell he found something. That was the Florida game; Bama etc didn't run on Florida, you had no reason to suspect they were particularly weak or vulnerable to something. Peetz stumbled into that off-tackle counter run, which wasn't 1) something LSU had shown any success with, and B) hadn't hurt Florida in the past. It worked, it did again, and again, and -- frick, throw the script out, run this play over and over until they stop it. They never did, TDP sets a record and we win.
You saw this happen often in 2019, OU can't handle Jefferson, different teams can't handle different players and plays. Ensminger with Brady's plays would find those, and LSU would score a ton. I see Kelly is considering keeping Peetz around. I think Kelly is as good (or better) with offenses as Ensminger was, so maybe he likes the playbook. He, or someone else with some experience calling, can use that. Not sure Brady is up to calling them all the time, and feeling out what's working in any given drive.
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