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Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:07 pm to Laman1978
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I hate when people do this..
As do I. I'll never understand how Jimbo's recruitment and development of a Heisman winner and #1 overall draft pick is somehow spun as a negative against him.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:11 pm to nvasil1
quote:Exactly! Like Jimbo had nothing to do with his success.
As do I. I'll never understand how Jimbo's recruitment and development of a Heisman winner and #1 overall draft pick is somehow spun as a negative against him
Great coaches spot talent and develop it. They do the shopping and the cooking. Many of these fans act like coaches show up with dinner already cooked and laid out on the table!
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:13 pm to bbqshark
My concerns with Jimbo:
- Championships are the goal.
- To win championships we have to plan on beating Bama.
- I think Jimbo's O style is too talent intensive to do that anywhere near regularly.
- Moreover, he should be hitting stride at FSU for as long as he's been HC there. Nobody is afraid of playing FSU.
- Championships are the goal.
- To win championships we have to plan on beating Bama.
- I think Jimbo's O style is too talent intensive to do that anywhere near regularly.
- Moreover, he should be hitting stride at FSU for as long as he's been HC there. Nobody is afraid of playing FSU.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:19 pm to Laman1978
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I hate when people do this... What is Bill B without Tom Brady? Sean Payton without Drew Brees? Urban Meyer at Florida without Tim Tebow? Bill Walsh without Joe Montana? The U.S. Military without money? Jimbo had Winston. It is what it is!!! Nothing should be added or taken away.
It's important to look at. Jameis was a heisman winner who only had 1 loss during his tenure at FSU. Seeing what Jimbo has done with lesser teams is a good metric.
We compared Miles to his previous seasons when firing him, so, now we compare Jimbo.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:21 pm to AlwysATgr
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- I think Jimbo's O style is too talent intensive to do that anywhere near regularly.
To Quote an FSU fan from Reddit:
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At this point, I'm kind of neutral either way. We have a literal ton of talent that isn't playing up to expectations which is partly on him and his poor staffing decisions. He seems fairly stubborn in changing his staff up and that is pissing a lot of people off (much like Miles reluctance to fire Cameron). I'll give them a pass on the injury bug but we'll be just as marginal next year without serious changes that have been lingering ever since Pruitt left and were put on display this season. I'm really not sure why LSU wants him so badly over Orgeron. It doesn't take a wizard to win at FSU. Mickey Andrews ran the same defensive scheme for a lifetime and it didnt show cracks until the end of the Bowden era. Pruitt came in and in 1 year, had our defense up to championship calibre performance. The brand attracts talent all on it's own. Jimbo's offense is incredibly too complicated and takes a literal football prodigy (Jameis Winston) to make it excel. All I'm saying is, if he wants to go, let him and tell him to take Trickett and Kelly with him. It's his funeral.
We see Jimbo from a different POV, as people saw Miles from an outside one.
I like the Jimbo idea. I just don't like how any criticism of Jimbo is met with anger and being called an idiot. Hilarious.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:24 pm to bbqshark
Instead of asking us to convince you why don't you say who you want more than Jimbo who is actually realistic. Then we can talk.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:32 pm to AlwysATgr
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- I think Jimbo's O style is too talent intensive to do that anywhere near regularly.
wtf does that even mean?
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- Moreover, he should be hitting stride at FSU for as long as he's been HC there. Nobody is afraid of playing FSU.
well thats just fricking dumb
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:05 pm to Lester Earl
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I think Jimbo's O style is too talent intensive to do that anywhere near regularly.
what does that even mean?
The degree of talent it will take to be successful vs Bama running a "pro-style" offense (nothing too complicated). It will take 5 NFL caliber OL plus a very seasoned QB.
A less talent intensive approach is to look at what OM is doing. It torments Saban. Their best OL in years (Tunsil) didn't even play vs Bama in '15 and they still had very good success. Is there any reason why we can't adopt that approach?
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well that's just . . . dumb
Why? This is his 7th season there. His track record shows he's a 3-loss regular.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:12 pm to AlwysATgr
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A less talent intensive approach is to look at what OM is doing. It torments Saban. Their best OL in years (Tunsil) didn't even play vs Bama in '15 and they still had very good success. Is there any reason why we can't adopt that approach?
again, what does this even mean?
less talent intensive?
the way it reads is that you are implying that we should recruit less talented players? is that what i am reading?
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Why? This is his 7th season there. His track record shows he's a 3-loss regular.
he has 7 losses in his last 50 games with two top 5 finishes and a national championship
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:13 pm to bbqshark
What does LSU need to be completely dominant? Solid QB play and a better passing game.
What is Jimbo great at? Developing QBs and moving the ball through the air. Now, he has his flaws like most coaches (teams that start slow and have penalties), but his strengths line up pretty well with what LSU needs to take it to the next level. Coaching decisions are always debatable, but based on what LSU needs, it's easy to see why Jimbo is a candidate with him already having coached at LSU and in the SEC as a successful coordinator.
What is Jimbo great at? Developing QBs and moving the ball through the air. Now, he has his flaws like most coaches (teams that start slow and have penalties), but his strengths line up pretty well with what LSU needs to take it to the next level. Coaching decisions are always debatable, but based on what LSU needs, it's easy to see why Jimbo is a candidate with him already having coached at LSU and in the SEC as a successful coordinator.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:32 pm to Lester Earl
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the way it reads is that you are implying that we should recruit less talented players
That's exactly how it reads. Get less talent and just do more with it.
Because you know Ole Miss has been spectacular using this method....
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:39 pm to bbqshark
Wow. And the "O for head coach" guys say we're ungrateful? There are a very few amount of schools out there who wouldn't trade who they have at HC for Jimbo.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:41 pm to AlwysATgr
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The degree of talent it will take to be successful vs Bama running a "pro-style" offense (nothing too complicated). It will take 5 NFL caliber OL plus a very seasoned QB.
Okay, we fired Les because our offense sucked, so the solution is to promote our DL coach to HC and recruit 3-stars to run a spread?
I swear TD has turned into an alternate dimension. Someone else on the Rant actually said Jimbo was in "no way" better than O.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:44 pm to AlwysATgr
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- Moreover, he should be hitting stride at FSU for as long as he's been HC there. Nobody is afraid of playing FSU.
Dude, you're going to have some stretches where you win a little less. He had a three year period where he went 39-3, won 29 straight, won 3 ACC titles, went to three BCS Bowls and won an NC by beating the SEC in the title game. And the first year of that was without Winston in his 3rd year after FSU had lost 22 games the previous four years before he became the head coach.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:48 pm to Deactived
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That's exactly how it reads. Get less talent and just do more with it.
Let's try this from a different angle - not that difficult of a concept.
The talent it takes to be successful vs Bama with a pro-style set is much greater than the talent it takes to run what OM is running. It can have success on O vs Bama (who BTW stands between us and championships) without requiring five 5* OL and a polished QB.
No idea how anyone gets that this is suggesting we intentionally recruit inferior players.
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Because you know Ole Miss has been spectacular using this method....
Well, vs Bama the past two years it has been (43 pts 2X).
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:58 pm to Old Money
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Jimbo's offense is incredibly too complicated and takes a literal football prodigy (Jameis Winston) to make it excel.
prodigy is the exact word i think of when remembering Jamarcus
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:09 pm to AlwysATgr
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Well, vs Bama the past two years it has been (43 pts 2X).
They've averaged 4.5 losses a year for the last 4 years.
Sorry but you don't recruit to beat 1 team.
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t can have success on O vs Bama (who BTW stands between us and championships)
Yea and if we recruit like you're saying, more than bama will be between us and championships
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:12 pm to AlwysATgr
So, we hire Hugh Freeze and problem solved.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:34 pm to clamdip
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So, we hire Hugh Freeze as OC and problem solved.
FIFY
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