re: Is Kingsbury to Cardinals the most WTF hire ever in the NFL?

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If it did, Chip Kelly would have been a smashing success.

We see certain elements of the spread in the NFL, but it doesn't work as full time system. That's why all of the spread QB's bust in the NFL.

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Alright, then. Thanks for your time.

What gets me is that Bidwell signed off on this.. Steve Keim must be hitting the bottle against. now with Sark.. there willl be a mountain of blow and stocked booze... it’s goonna to be lit

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Is Kingsbury to Cardinals the most WTF hire ever in the NFL?

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Not really. Most of the NFL is copying his offense anyways. Besides, whos left other than a bunch of washed out retreads? He fails, they fire him. Plain as that

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Brees
Goff
Mahomes
Prescott
There are literally 4 spread QBs in the playoffs right now.

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What exactly is your definition of the spread? I think you are confusing 4 wideout sets as being the same thing as a college spread. The spacing is different, the pace is faster, it relies on the deep ball a great deal, and reading defenses is pretty much out of the question . If you have an athletic QB, you see the spread-option offense.

This is not the style NFL teams play in. And of the 4 QB's you listed, only two ran a spread offense in college, which is what I was referring to in the first place. And none of them are running it now.

Prescott is in the playoffs because of his defense, offensive line and running game. He's an average, at best, QB. Mahomes, I already mentioned earlier, is the outlier. But he was inaccurate and a poor decision maker in college. Andy Reid turned his physical talent into an actual NFL QB, just as he has done his entire career.

I remember when Brees was at Purdue, and I remember Joe Tiller's offense. I'm not sure how that could be called a spread offense. Quite frankly, Purdue was never very impressive without Brees, as I recall. I guess that was a very early iteration of the spread, and nothing like we see today, where guys are just throwing the ball 50 plus times a game, and QB's rarely learn how to read coverage.

I liken the modern spread to Mike D'antoni's Suns teams, who would just run up and down the court and take the first available shot, regardless of whether
or not a BETTER shot was possible, and they sacrificed any and all defense at the expense of the pace they played. That's the kind of offense I think of when I think of the spread.

And that's not what I remember seeing from Goff or Brees in college. Now, Mike Leach, Kliff Kingsbury, Art Briles, and guys like that... They always put up big points, but their QB's don't translate to the NFL.

I already mentioned Mahomes twice, and both times I've stated that he was not an accurate passer or good decision maker in college. He had a big arm, and a flare for making some exciting highlight reel plays. But Andy Reid developed his potential. And I also know that Dak ran the spread-option. That's why I stated that two of the QB's you listed ran the spread. Dak and Mahomes were the one's I was referring to. And, as I also previously mentioned, Dak is at best an average QB.

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And of the 4 QB's you listed, only two ran a spread offense in college

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wrong

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I'd probably guess the NFL GM's probably know more about his abilities than Joe schmo online.

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I think people are overlooking Kingsbury's people skills.

A lot of college coaches fail because they're too autocratic and end up alienating the grown arse men they're coaching.

Kingsbury is more of a 'people-person' and won't lose the locker room like the hard-arse college coaches of yester-year usually do.

let me just add this to be clear

the Chiefs run a spread

they even have the motions, RPOs, etc

i think it was a big reason they paid so much for Mahommes