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Is an easier job necessarily a better job?
Posted on 12/9/10 at 7:20 am
Posted on 12/9/10 at 7:20 am
To me it would be more rewarding to be a Bryant or B Bowden than say a Meyer or M Brown.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 7:33 am to joydivision
Easier? You think that is the difference between Arkansas and Florida?
Posted on 12/9/10 at 7:51 am to moneyg
Not just Florida and Ark. Florida and any mid-tier program in the country.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:04 am to joydivision
I wouldn't say Florida is a mid-tier program.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:09 am to joydivision
it would be more rewarding to be a B bowden in that he basically built the Fla St program. Meyer and Brown inherited a pretty good program and kept it going.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:13 am to back9Tiger
yea i'm confused about the OP
not sure what he's trying to say
not sure what he's trying to say
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:20 am to elrushbo3
Ark is a mid-tier that Petrino can establish. Spurrier built Florida. It's his first and Meyer and other successors next.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:22 am to joydivision
quote:
To me it would be more rewarding to be a Bryant or B Bowden than say a Meyer or M Brown.
I will say this, a coach that I know had an Jimbo offer (HCIW), but passed to stay where he was. He is now out of a job. HC and staff got canned. In that profession you never know. Its day to day. Hes a very good coach and won't take long to get a job. Good coaches bounce back.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:22 am to back9Tiger
quote:Exactly.
I wouldn't say Florida is a mid-tier program.
That is laughable. UF is one of the top jobs in the country. Petrino would take it in a heartbeat, but I still think he would be a poor fit for them right now.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:31 am to Roaad
Not sure what you're saying, but my take:
Take Mullen at MSU for example....lower pay, but easier job when it comes to managing expectations. A 8-4 or 7-5 season is great at MSU, but down at UF.
Now not saying Mullen's job is easier though, because he has less talent & lesser facilities to work with at MSU than Meyer does at UF, so he's got to work harder to get his players/recruits to perform.
Take Mullen at MSU for example....lower pay, but easier job when it comes to managing expectations. A 8-4 or 7-5 season is great at MSU, but down at UF.
Now not saying Mullen's job is easier though, because he has less talent & lesser facilities to work with at MSU than Meyer does at UF, so he's got to work harder to get his players/recruits to perform.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:54 am to joydivision
You really have to define easier. None of these jobs are "easy." All of these guys work relentlessly and to suggest that some can work less is ludicrous. If the job was easy, then any qualified candidate should do very well and that is just not the case. To build a program like Bowden, you need some key competitive advantage, like an incredibly rich recruiting base. Some schools will never have that kind of advantage, and whatever success they do achieve will be very difficult to sustain.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:56 am to Indiana Tiger
WTF is the question again?

Posted on 12/9/10 at 9:02 am to 800lbgorilla
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WTF is the question again?
Add whatever you want.......
Posted on 12/9/10 at 10:51 am to joydivision
I dont think the OP is calling UF a mid-tier. I think he's calling Ark a mid-tier. (correct me if Im wrong OP)
Posted on 12/9/10 at 12:50 pm to 800lbgorilla
Ummm Texas as a program was pretty shitty when Brown took over..
we were very much in the dumps
we were very much in the dumps
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:00 pm to The Mick
quote:
I dont think the OP is calling UF a mid-tier. I think he's calling Ark a mid-tier. (correct me if Im wrong OP)
He is, his post was just poorly worded.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:08 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
The OP, I believe, is trying to say it is easier to succeed at a program that is already established or has a great tradition.
Bear Bryant and Bobby Bowden really get credit for making their schools into the football powers that they are.
Urban Meyer you could say is a great coach but Spurrier really gets the credit for putting the program on the map.
Mack Brown did take over Texas while they were down, but Texas has always had the tradition, fan base, and reputation as being a player on the national level.
As to the OP...Since the question is what is more rewarding, I guess that is up to the fellow who takes the job. If he is more concerned about taking credit for starting a new football power, then I guess Urban would consider the job he has done at Florida very unfulfilled. But he probably would have stayed at Utah if that is what he thought was most important. If he is more concerned about having the self-satisfaction that he did the very best with what he was given, then as the only coach in the BCS era to win 2 National Championships AT ONE SCHOOL, then he should pat himself on the back.
Bear Bryant and Bobby Bowden really get credit for making their schools into the football powers that they are.
Urban Meyer you could say is a great coach but Spurrier really gets the credit for putting the program on the map.
Mack Brown did take over Texas while they were down, but Texas has always had the tradition, fan base, and reputation as being a player on the national level.
As to the OP...Since the question is what is more rewarding, I guess that is up to the fellow who takes the job. If he is more concerned about taking credit for starting a new football power, then I guess Urban would consider the job he has done at Florida very unfulfilled. But he probably would have stayed at Utah if that is what he thought was most important. If he is more concerned about having the self-satisfaction that he did the very best with what he was given, then as the only coach in the BCS era to win 2 National Championships AT ONE SCHOOL, then he should pat himself on the back.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 7:00 pm to Actually
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Bear Bryant and Bobby Bowden really get credit for making their schools into the football powers that they are.
Alabama was a power before Bryant came back as coach in 1958. He played in two Rose Bowls as a player, and another as an assistant. The game was just different during his tenure as head coach. More media coverage as the game became more and more like what we have today.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:35 pm to CapstoneGrad06
What Bowden did at FSU is all the more impressive when you consider that he did it before the scholarship limits were changed.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 8:37 pm to joydivision
good as gone, start coming to terms with it
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