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re: If SW really did whiff/get played, his "rules" are now out the window
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:25 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:25 am to H-Town Tiger
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but its no guarantee of success look at Herman.
Defense still wins championships.
Defenses catch up to "innovative" offenses really quickly.
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Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:26 am to WicKed WayZ
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TD will melt HARD
Meh. Last time we melted hard we won a natty.
This board is dumb. Myself included.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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You give Campbell a mega deal and he fails by year 2, you're stuck for 4-5 more years. What then?
define fails? 3-9 or message board/SFP standard of he doesn't win the NC in year 2?
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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has anyone else even tried to hire Stoops?
No
Which makes the possibility that much worse
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Campbell is 12 years young had success at 2 schools
He's had "success" at ISU. He has the same philosophical issues of Stoops (little sister philosophy) that scream "Les Miles".
Could Campbell theoretically work? Yes, but he has to abandon a lot of the stuff that had led to his "success". Can/will he?
But we're projecting a whole hell of a lot for a guy who is about to reset the CFB HC market. A guy we will be married to for 5-6 years no matter how shitty he is.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Defense still wins championships.
Herman did immediately try to hire Aranda so he's not a guy who ignored defense. UT is just toxic at its core. Until that changes, they're not winning shite.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:29 am to H-Town Tiger
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3-9 or message board/SFP standard of he doesn't win the NC in year 2?
2-3 regular season losses is a failure for the highest paid CFB coach. "Fail" would be normalizing 3-4 regular season losses.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you're pushing the "Riley was never an option" angle? That it was invented on this board?
I think it was partly this board and other low level media personnel around LSU that fanned the flames to something that was never going to happen. And I’ve been in the camp that Riley was never coming.
This board does this every single time. It happened with Corbin with the baseball hire. Same thing was and now has happened with Riley.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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2-3 regular season losses is a failure for the highest paid CFB coach.
that's just unrealistic and that is no guarantee an A tier young offensive minded coach wouldn't lose 2-3 as well
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"Fail" would be normalizing 3-4 regular season losses.
i would agree and that was my fear with O but that's not apparent in 2 years. That's down the line and i don't see why the buyout would be $40-$50M every year of the deal. Jimbo did have a top 4 season last year that's not failing and does have a NC on his resume
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Brady was nothing special
see burrow with E then with brady with bradys pro style spread
man you lost all e cred with that dumbfrick statement putting you in with the football ignorant tards on the rant. congrats.
:rotflmao:
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:45 am to WicKed WayZ
I only recently started believing it was a real shot. My history on this board has been:
1. Saying we need to stop flirting with "whales" if that means we lose out on Aranda
2. Shitting on Jimbo 100% b/c that would be terrible
1. Saying we need to stop flirting with "whales" if that means we lose out on Aranda
2. Shitting on Jimbo 100% b/c that would be terrible
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Defense still wins championships.
this was never really true in the sense that you mean, teams that win are usually good at both, higher ranked offensive teams have actually won a slightly higher rate.
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Defenses catch up to "innovative" offenses really quickly.
now there is validity to this, of course given time and experience playing it the defenses do catch up. but the old school Miles philosophy of playing in a phone booth i don't think works anymore and its boring as shite
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:47 am to Fat Bastard
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see burrow with E then with brady with bradys pro style spread
There are lots of guys who could have come in to run a similar scheme to Brady. O is just an idiot who freaked out when Canada didn't work out (which happened b/c Lane promised he was coming and left O in a lurch without an OC when he came here initially).
Brady was very important to 2019 and helped show E modern concepts that we needed, but he wasn't some unicorn hire.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And if we do hire Aranda, then that means all of your speculation here was wrong, correct?
If we don't hire Aranda, either the speculation is correct or SW had less rational reasons for ignoring him
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's had "success" at ISU. He has the same philosophical issues of Stoops (little sister philosophy) that scream "Les Miles"
Iowa State is arguably the worst job in the P5 and i know you hate Les but we would be lucky if our next coach had a tenure like that. I know its fashionable to say he massively underachieved (total nonsense) and act like his entire run was like the 2015 or 1/9 offense but it wasn't and he was coaching in the same division as the GOAT who was building the greatest dynasty we've ever seen.
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/28/21 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Should have had an earlier deadline for Riley to preserve elite backup options
But how do we know he didn’t set an earlier deadline, got a commitment and then Riley reneged? I mean no one can prevent someone from changing their mind.
If there’s anything I would blame Woodward for, it would be that Riley wasn’t an extremely realistic candidate. His other white whale hires have been in situations where there were underlying issues/mutual fatigue at the previous schools. Riley’s situation is not remotely close to those.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 12:01 pm to shel311
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And if we do hire Aranda, then that means all of your speculation here was wrong, correct?
I will 10000% be gladly wrong if we get Dave.
If it took Riley leaving us at the alter to get Woodward to delete those requirements, then it's worth the embarrassment.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 12:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Iowa State is arguably the worst job in the P5 and i know you hate Les but we would be lucky if our next coach had a tenure like that.
I"m not saying he's a bad coach. I think he may be better in the NFL than at LSU. In terms of pure coaching, he's elite. It's the philosophy and recruiting that are the major question marks in my eyes.
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and act like his entire run was like the 2015 or 1/9 offense but it wasn't
It was pretty bad, esp after Jimbo left. Les's conservative bullshite cost us dearly in 2006. Almost cost us in 2007. Then 2008-2012 our offense was bleh. It was only good in 2013 even with insane talent, and then it fell off the face of the planet again.
You can't do that today, though. The game passed him by. Jimbo is having the same issues but with a much better offensive philosophy and you see the results out there. Even more importantly, you have to be smart and Les valued physicality more than intelligence. It's what ultimately doomed his ceiling.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 12:04 pm to Syntax
I would gladly take Kiffin or Campbell at this point. We need offense.
Basically anyone but Stoops or BoB would give this program a shot in the arm.
Basically anyone but Stoops or BoB would give this program a shot in the arm.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 12:05 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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If there’s anything I would blame Woodward for, it would be that Riley wasn’t an extremely realistic candidate. His other white whale hires have been in situations where there were underlying issues/mutual fatigue at the previous schools. Riley’s situation is not remotely close to those.
Yeah I'm not invested in Riley b/c only in the past 72 hours or so did I really think it was a real possibility.
That's why I'm laughing at people saying I'm melting. I'd LOVE Riley but I always figured he wasn't coming. Again, why my focus in Riley discussions was always Aranda.
shite, I made THIS Thread yesterday morning
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/28/21 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But we're projecting a whole hell of a lot for a guy who is about to reset the CFB HC market.
I don't know if that is the case though. I cannot see us paying Napier or Campbell the kind of money we were throwing at Riley before he told us to frick off.
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