re: If a company offered to at least double your salary

everyone would have probably gone to USC given those circumstances. I don't see many people arguing that point.

Kiffin has done nothing to earn the Tenn job much less the USC job.

12-21

I can't let this propaganda slide...

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with a much better company?

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Much better? I'm sick of Texas/USC douchebags acting like they are so far above every other program they are some untouchable royalty. Tennessee is a great program. I'd rank USC ahead of it all-time, as would everyone else, but it's not a "much better company". USC is UNDER NCAA INVESTIGATION. They are about to go on probation. So if I was working at a successful software company, but then got offered a job at Microsoft the exact moment they were under investigation from federal investigators... well, I'd likely stay away. Stop smelling your own farts.

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In a much better town--near the ocean?

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LA sucks. It sucks balls. It is the worst city in the country. And USC is in WATTS, one of the worst neighborhoods in the city. If offered between living in Knoxville or LA, I would chose Knoxville every fricking time. I'd rather be punched in the nuts than live in LA. I have several good friends who live there, and all they do is figure out how to move.

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In a city that you love and even went to college.

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I went to LSU. Love Baton Rouge. Had a great time there. But I live in Dallas. If someone offered me a job in BR tomorrow, I'd stay in Dallas, as I've set my roots down here.

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In an area where your children spend their formative years?

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And I moved and set up roots somewhere else? No. I wouldn't want to uproot them again. And screw you for you using the "won't you think of the children?" argument, which is the last refuge of scoundrels. This has NOTHING to do with family.

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In fact you worked for that company before and thought it would be dreamy to be higher up in the company. was dreamy.

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I'd warn you that you can't go home again. If I worked at one place in middle management, then got an executive level job somewhere else and my old firm wanted me back... sure, I'd listen. But I'm not going back to put the gang back together. Living in the past is usually a bad idea.

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They gave you 48 hours to decide. Your family supported you?

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I'd be wary of a firm that said wanted to hire me and the entire negotiation was 48 hours. I'd be worried about their general ethics. Then, given that they are under the likelihood of adminsitrative sanction, I'd likely turn it down, because I'd have serious questions about how they run their business. It would set off my Spidey Sense that this firm is really, really scummy.

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Remember, more than double your salary, with an agreement for several years.

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I would most certainly use the offer to go to my current employer and give them a chance to make a counteroffer, which Kiffin did not do. If the offer was reasonable, given my serious questions about how my old firm conducts their business, I'd take a good offer that didn't quite match it. If my current firm offered nothing, yeah, I'd walk. Twice the money is twice the money. But Kiffin never gave UT the chance to match. He just walked.

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as an added plus, you get to bring your closest co-workers with you.

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That would be awful. You CANNOT put the gang back together. And it would make me think they don't want me, they just want to hurt my current employer. With my Spidey Sense already tingling about the offer, this would almost be a deal breaker. It just seems way too scummy.

I think your hypo completely misses the NCAA sanctions pending. And not one person is condemning Kiffin for taking twice the money. I wasn't made at Chavis for leveraging his offer for more money, thats how the world works. but too many things about SC's offer strike me as a program with questionable ethics. I'd likely pass.

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If a company offered to at least double your salary
with a much better company? In a much better town--near the ocean? In a city that you love and even went to college. In an area where your children spend their formative years? In fact you worked for that company before and thought it would be dreamy to be higher up in the company. was dreamy. They gave you 48 hours to decide. Your family supported you? Remember, more than double your salary, with an agreement for several years. as an added plus, you get to bring your closest co-workers with you.

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Actually, I'm laughing at "The Company" you refer to for offering all of this to a dickbag like little Kiffy.

You guys must like playing in the Holiday Bowl or something, because as long as he's at USC, that's about the best you're going to be able to hope for. Frankly, I'm surprised a program of SC's stature would settle for such mediocrity.

Also, from 1980-2001 (about the span when Robinson left the first time to when Carroll showed up), USC won 10 games precisely once. They won 9 games 3 times. Let's not pretend that USC was some unstoppable juggernaut before Carroll arrived. They were a good program that was living off the glory of national titles in the 1970s. It was not inevtiable they would become great again, and it is a credit to Carroll he made them so good.

There are some serious drawbacks to SC. Disinterested fanbase, horrible neighborhood, and mediocre facilities top the list. Not to mention a powerful rival across town. Carroll is a great coach and he made us forget about SC's negatives. But its not like Troy was titletown for the 20 years before Carroll showed up. It's not that far of a fall down to being just another good football team.

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If a company offered to at least double your salary
with a much better company? In a much better town--near the ocean? In a city that you love and even went to college. In an area where your children spend their formative years? In fact you worked for that company before and thought it would be dreamy to be higher up in the company. was dreamy. They gave you 48 hours to decide. Your family supported you? Remember, more than double your salary, with an agreement for several years. as an added plus, you get to bring your closest co-workers with you.

You'd stay right where you are or go?

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Look it isn't as simple as this. Some jobs are about product and some are about people. If you have a job in Boston making widgets and somebody in San Diego offers you 5 times as much money to work in a much nicer factory making the same widgets...you leave...regardless of how long you have been in Boston. Why...because the widgets don't care...they're widgets.

When your job is people...its different. When you take a people job you owe them something more than that. Kiffin walked in the door and recruited 18 yr olds to join with him in a process. When you do that you owe those people that process.

Coaches leave and that is fine. In essence of course you are ALWAYS promising yourself to incoming students and i understand that. When you given 4 years or so to a school then i think you have fulfilled your opligation to the people that are your job.

But you can't leave one year in...that is wrong and it always will be. Kiffin reaction to the USC offer should have been, "Dang it. I sure would like that job, but it sure sucks that the timing is what it is. I can't leave this place I just started at. THank you USC for the honor of the offer but i have to stay and honor my commitment here first. You don't want a coach that would do what you are asking me to do."

...and the last statement should be your worry as a USC fan...because it identifies a MAJOR problem at the top of your athletic department.

Why would you want a coach that would agree to do what you asked this coach to do?

The fact that Kiffin would leave UT after one season to take the bigger better deal means he doesn't care about the kids he coaches and should immediately disqualify him from consideration.

Lane Kiffin couldn't be one of the initial top choices for USC.

They really had to settle this year.

Tangerine

I thought you were an ok cat around here but you're getting hammered.