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Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:25 pm to ApexTiger
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No
Well, then queue the pitchforks.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:25 pm to OBUDan
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If Gary stays, I see it playing out as a 2 QB system again... with Mett taking the bulk of the snaps and JJ doing running QB duties.
This bugs me ... if Mett is any good, there's no reason we need a running QB.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:26 pm to texastigerr
Les is the one who is loyal to JJ
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:26 pm to amiznit
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This bugs me ... if Mett is any good, there's no reason we need a running QB.
n if you guys do then you should use Shep. He has rare running ability that Jefferson doesn't.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:27 pm to adammwilson
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greed. Why even bother having coaches if that's true?
Ask Brett Favre..
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:27 pm to adammwilson
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if you guys do then you should use Shep. He has rare running ability that Jefferson doesn't.
One would imagine
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:29 pm to Books
quote:even Tiger Woods needs a swing coach.
it's up to player, his God given ability and his desire to be great.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:37 pm to adammwilson
quote:But that won't work. It doesn't work with someone that poses no threat to throw the ball... or so i've heard...
if you guys do then you should use Shep. He has rare running ability that Jefferson doesn't
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:38 pm to TiegerTim
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poses no threat to throw the ball.
shite you don't have to be able to throw it that well. Just well enough.
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so i've heard..
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:38 pm to dos crystal
quote:dos, i agree with you on some things, but this is crazy....
i give you that. we'll disagree on "development". i just don't believe in it. i believe the player is the player. it's up to player, his God given ability and his desire to be great.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:50 pm to TiegerTim
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all his eggs in one basket again...
Urban Meyer made a helluva career at Florida with all his eggs in the Tim Tebow basket. He was 48-7 in 4 years with Tebow. In 2 years without him, he was 17-8 and "retired" this year, because losing wasn't any fun.
Gene Chizik put all his eggs in the Cam Newton basket, and it's paid off.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:52 pm to BMoney
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Urban Meyer made a helluva career at Florida with all his eggs in the Tim Tebow basket
quote:Miles didn't do so good with RP though did he???
Gene Chizik put all his eggs in the Cam Newton basket, and it's paid off
Now he putting all his faith in a guy, as good as he may be, that was kicked off of another SEC team.....
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:03 pm to TiegerTim
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dos, i agree with you on some things, but this is crazy....
that's fine. maybe i'm wrong. i've looked at a number of o.c.'s and qb's pro and college and just found this angle to be flawed.
I just don't understand how a coach, let say jimbo, can "develop" davey, jamarcus, mauk, flynn, ponder but can't "develop" rick clausen, marcus randal, xavier lee, drew weatherford, or e.j. manuel.
you can do the same with everyone of them. mike martz, chow, ect. they have successful and good ones and they have bad ones. why do the one's that succeed develop and the others don't?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:06 pm to dos crystal
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marcus randal
played in the nfl
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, drew weatherford,
played in the nfl
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e.j. manuel.
the guy is only a soph. and played decent when given the chance.
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they have bad ones.
who does Martz have?
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why do the one's that succeed develop and the others don't?
some didn't work hard enough, some weren't given enough time, it varies by person.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:14 pm to adammwilson
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played in the nfl
..as a QB?
quote:E.J. Manual signed FSU the same year Pat Peterson signed at LSU.
the guy is only a soph. and played decent when given the chance.
Their success has clearly been equal
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:16 pm to Hitchcock
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..as a QB?
both did for some amount of time.
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Their success has clearly been equal
Manuel has had to back up Christian Ponder (likely a 2nd round pick in the draft this year)
Manuel's career is far from over at FSU.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:26 pm to adammwilson
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marcus randal
played in the nfl
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, drew weatherford,
played in the nfl
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e.j. manuel.
the guy is only a soph. and played decent when given the chance.
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they have bad ones.
who does Martz have?
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why do the one's that succeed develop and the others don't?
some didn't work hard enough, some weren't given enough time, it varies by person.
one, randal never played qb in n.f.l. think he was a free agent and looked at for safety.
two,weatherford was benched at f.s.u. in favor of ponder. wouldn't consider that a success.
three-e.j. manuel is in the same class as jordan jefferson. he started the florida game last year and didn't perform well, he started the a.c.c. championship game against v tech and didn't perform well. considering andrew luck, who i believe is a year younger, played against v-tech and solidified himself as the number player to be drafted. e.j. was the #1 qb in the country out of high school.
four-martz coached the greatest show on turf with warner. however, couldn't do anything with alex smith at the 49ers. john kitna was still john kitna with the lions during martz time there.
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some didn't work hard enough, some weren't given enough time, it varies by person.
that's my point. it's up to the player and their talent. some don't have the talent, some do and don't work at it, some work hard and have good ability but not great ability, and some have great ability and work hard at it to be great.
the coach only can do so much. At the end of the day, it's like teaching. you can't make every student an A student. Only the Student can make themselves an A student. No matter how good you are, you will have B students, C students, D students, and F students.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 2:33 pm to dos crystal
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one, randal never played qb in n.f.l. think he was a free agent and looked at for safety
wrong. he played qb then safety then lb.
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two,weatherford was benched at f.s.u. in favor of ponder. wouldn't consider that a success.
Ponder is a great qb. Few qb's would start over him.
ej manuel's career isn't over yet. He actually played pretty well against VT. He completed over 70% of his passes, had a td pass, and threw for almost 300 yards.
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couldn't do anything with alex smith at the 49ers
he was only there for a year.
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john kitna was still john kitna with the lions during martz time there.
he threw for over 4,000 yards and 15 td's a year. He had his best years by far in Detroit under Martz.
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the coach only can do so much.
agreed. But earlier you made it seem like the coach had no impact at all.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 3:06 pm to adammwilson
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wrong. he played qb then safety then lb.
Are you really saying that Marcus Randle plared QB in the NFL?
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