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Film Study of Jimbo Fisher's Offense vs Clemson - better is not best option

Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:35 pm
Posted by luvlsufootball
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:35 pm
I’ve watched every FSU offensive series this season. This has been my observation of Jimbo Fisher’s offense.

1. Though he employs many “spread concepts”, pro style play calling keeps his team behind the chains and trailing in the 1st half of critical P-5 ball games. He trailed vs Ole Miss, blew out by Louisville, and stayed behind the chains vs Clemson. The predictable I formation and single back sets on 1st downs tend to be wasted downs.

2. By the Clemson game, FSU had 17 1st qtr possessions, and had failed to score a single TD in the 1st qtr VS power 5 opponents. That trend continued here.

3. Jimbo waits until he trails to open up the play book. You sense his tendency to stay true to his Nick Saban pedigree until he’s in trouble. This put his team in trouble in the first half of a very critical Clemson contest.

4. There are no RPO (Run pass options). QB is asked to make lots of low percentage throws vertically, much like Cameron. The best call of the 1st half was an underneath shallow cross, thrown for 3 yds that went for 22 yards. Jimbo tries to rely heavily on vertical pass concepts, and does not spread the field horizontally.

5. Does not make use of QB athleticism, despite the fact that Clemson’s Boyd and Louisville’s Jackson has given FSU trouble with their dual threat abilities. Bama has trended in this directions also.

6. Jimbo was in a empty formation 1x, 4 WR set about 4x (and not until the last two minutes of the half.

7. Jimbo’s version of the spread is not a true spread. Its primarily 3 WR set, with a tight end or HB, similar to LSU’s current system.

8. His team struggled to recognize and pick up blitzes vs spread

MY opinion based up on the 1st half analysis in this film LINK :

Jimbo may actually be more suited for the pro game than college football. His offense is beginning to trail in effectiveness.

DRIVE 1
26:10 Drive 1 Mostly conservative pro style
32:10 Drive 1 Wide Open spread - screen for a big gain then back to pro style and struggle
33:58 Drive 1 Wide Open spread - fails to pick up clear blitz vs spread
AFTER DRIVE 1 CLEMSON 7 - FSU 0

DRIVE 2
42:43 Drive 2 Pro Style Struggle
43:36 Drive 2 spread (Bad Read) - Poor protection
44:00 Drive 2 Clock mismanagement
45:00 Drive 2 spread (offsides) - Then screen pass for little gain - punt
CLEMSON 14 FSU 0

DRIVE 3
50:30 Drive 3 Pro Style I Formation - Lead 3 yds
Spread - Empty - Incomplete
Spread - 3 WR - Incomplete
Punt

DRIVE 4
56:00 Pro-style - I form - play action - penalty
Pro-style - DEF pas interference
Pro-style - 8 yd run
Pro-Style - false start
Pro-style - Pistol - Def holding
*****OBSERVATION - LOTS OF TOUGH THROWS (Cam Cameron Like)
Pro-Style 2 yd run
Spread 3WR - False start
Spread 3WR - incomplete
****OBSERVATION - ALSO ATTEMPTED TO GIVE QB QUICK LOOKS - ROUTE COMBO TOO BASIC UNTIL 1:02:00 MARK
Spread 3WR underneath Shallow route. great call 22 yds
Pro-Style - Lead 8 yds gain (Red zone)
Pro-Style - 2yd TD
CLEMSON 14 FSU 7

DRIVE 5
1:09:47 Spread 3WR - Quick throw to boundary well covered incomplete
Spread 3WR 12 yd pass (poor pass protection)
Pro-style play action - POST - INT
CLEMSO 14 FSU 7

DRIVE 6
1:22:00 Spread 4WR - 2minute offense - incomplete
Spread 4WR - QB scramble 9 yds
Pro Style - I form - 1 yd gain first down
Spread 4 WR - ball thrown in coverage on all verticals
Spread 4WR - Corner route (Smash concept) compete 30 yd gain into red zone
Spread 4WR - Quick throw TD

Clemso 17 FSU 14
HALFTIME SCORE
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:27 pm
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:38 pm to
Spot on!
Posted by Laman1978
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:39 pm to
How many times have we had 14 points at halftime this season?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:39 pm to
quote:

MY opinion based up on the 1st half analysis in this film LINK :


can you watch the fist half of the lsu vs southern miss game and give me an analysis?
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:40 pm to
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How many times have we had 14 points at halftime this season?



Seriously???
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:42 pm to
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can you watch the fist half of the lsu vs southern miss game and give me an analysis?



I'm more interested in a candidates performance vs p-5 opponents, not G5 opponents that they'll eventually overwhelm any way
Posted by Laman1978
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:42 pm to
I don't mind asking my QB to make big boy throws down the field if I'm developing him into a big boy 1st round QB.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 5:46 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79845 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:42 pm to
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7. Jimbo’s version of the spread is not a true spread. Its primarily 3 WR set, with a tight end or HB, similar to LSU’s current system.


Except we don't run that most of the time.

Not against Bama or Arkansas.
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

How many times have we had 14 points at halftime this season?



Question is, are we looking for a "better" coach, or the "best" coach. The answer to that question has to take into how a candidate is responding to quality competition now.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:44 pm to
That's it, luvlsufootball from Tiger Droppings convinced me that Jimbo is not the man for LSU. He's watched all of FSU's games on DVR and knows everything about the inner workings of Jimbo's offense, and it just won't work at LSU. Hire Coach Eaux!!!!!
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:45 pm to
quote:


Except we don't run that most of the time.

Not against Bama or Arkansas.


I agree. I was underwhelmed with formations in both contests. Im only slightly more impressed with Jimbo.
Posted by Laman1978
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:45 pm to
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Question is, are we looking for a "better" coach, or the "best" coach. The answer to that question has to take into how a candidate is responding to quality competition now.
My assessment is that Jimbo has done pretty well considering he's working with a redshirt freshman at QB.
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

I don't mind asking my QB to make big boy throws down the field if I've developed him into a big boy 1st round QB.



No matter who you have a QB, they are low percentage concepts. You have to design plays that creates space btw WR and defenders. Jimbo's system does not.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

I'm more interested in a candidates performance vs p-5 opponents, not G5 opponents that they'll eventually overwhelm any way



Oh how convenient.


Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:46 pm to
Then let's just hire Kliff Kingsbury if offense is your only concern.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:46 pm to
Still would rather him over O
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:47 pm to
And a beat up offensive line that struggles
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

My assessment is that Jimbo has done pretty well considering he's working with a redshirt freshman at QB.



I've watched every down. The QB has not been Jimbo's problem this year. Failure to give adequate protection. Attracting too many defenders into the box. Failure to spread the field. Predictable on 1st and 2nd down has been the prob.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:49 pm to
6'1 195lb RS FR QB

You want to bitch about something? Bitch about his spotty OL play and how THAT affects his play calling
Posted by Laman1978
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Member since Jan 2009
12064 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

No matter who you have a QB, they are low percentage concepts. You have to design plays that creates space btw WR and defenders. Jimbo's system does not.
Do you feel Bama would have shut us out if Jimbo was here all season? Do you feel that we would have scored only one offensive TD against Wisconsin? Do you feel Auburn would have beaten Jimbo + LSU only kicking field goals?
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