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re: Film Study of Jimbo Fisher's Offense vs Clemson - better is not best option

Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by Lionnation1993
Member since Nov 2013
6103 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:27 pm to
Didn't read, just downvoted
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:28 pm to
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Good points. But you can't ignore what going on with Jimbo now. You can't just assume that you plug him in here and VIOLA! Go through a thorough interview process. DONT crown someone the savior. Be bold enough to go with the less popular pic if it fits.
I'm not crowning him the savior. Where did you get that from my post? I said "safest pick".
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:31 pm to
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I applaud your objective efforts and would only ask that that you state the extraordinary limits of your analysis more vigorously and explicitly. Your conclusions are to be applied very narrowly. Keep up the good work.
He's been working hard on this one analysis. Beyond that, I'm not sure he knows much else. He's making an assumption based on one game. He didn't even know that his golden boy's offense has been very mediocre this year against some pretty bad teams.


abellsur
I didn't work hard at all. I've watched FSU all season, and some games I've re-watched. I merely had to ask myself, whether what I saw in the 1st of Clemson, was consistent with what I saw vs other power 5 opponents. It is consistent. No need for me post detailed analysis of every power 5 game this season. If the sample is consistent with what I've observed all season, then the sample is reliable enough for me to formulate a fair opinion. If you disagree, I respect that. But my opinion is not knee jerk
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:32 pm
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:33 pm to
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I'm not crowning him the savior. Where did you get that from my post? I said "safest pick".



Not saying that you called him a savior. Just stating my point. I will add, that safe obviously doesn't necessarily equate to best
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:36 pm to
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I applaud your objective efforts and would only ask that that you state the extraordinary limits of your analysis more vigorously and explicitly. Your conclusions are to be applied very narrowly. Keep up the good work.


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Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17895 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:38 pm to
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Check out my log above.

Sorry, what am I supposed to be looking at?
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3666 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:40 pm to
Fans are emotional creatures. It not their jobs to be logical. You hit em with logic and Xs and Os, you lose that battle every time. Its a fan board. Not many here have enough working knowledge to give your opinions adequate wait. But I like it.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:41 pm to
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afe obviously doesn't necessarily equate to best
How can you say he's not the best option? You've given no names of other coaches you think are better. I thought you would at least have someone else who you've watched that you think is better. Your past posts show that you defend Herman like crazy. If you think that's the guy, say so. You've been extremely vague other than you one game analysis. You talk about new age offenses, yet you've given no examples of people who run it.

Is Briles your guy?
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3666 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:42 pm to
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Sorry, what am I supposed to be looking at?



I actually read it...

The Cook TD came off a few pass interference calls and the 22 yd underneath route that I mentioned (out of the spread). The open offense set up the score.

DRIVE 4
56:00 Pro-style - I form - play action - penalty
Pro-style - DEF pas interference
Pro-style - 8 yd run
Pro-Style - false start
Pro-style - Pistol - Def holding
*****OBSERVATION - LOTS OF TOUGH THROWS (Cam Cameron Like)
Pro-Style 2 yd run
Spread 3WR - False start
Spread 3WR - incomplete
****OBSERVATION - ALSO ATTEMPTED TO GIVE QB QUICK LOOKS - ROUTE COMBO TOO BASIC UNTIL 1:02:00 MARK
Spread 3WR underneath Shallow route. great call 22 yds
Pro-Style - Lead 8 yds gain (Red zone)
Pro-Style - 2yd TD
CLEMSON 14 FSU 7
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:43 pm to
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Not many here have enough working knowledge to give your opinions adequate wait.
What opinions? He hasn't even said someone he likes. There are no opinions except "Jimbo bad, offense good."
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted by safetyman
Member since Jun 2011
11841 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:44 pm to
Yep that's the Jimbo I know. People forget when he was here they wanted him fired. But but that was Les Miles doing that to him. Well well he has that same problem with the I formation on first down at FSU as he had with LSU. I like him better than almost anyone else but I don't like his play calling at times.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:46 pm to
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I like him better than almost anyone else but I don't like his play calling at times.
See. At least this guy can say he likes him better than most of our other options.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:46 pm
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:46 pm to
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Not many here have enough working knowledge to give your opinions adequate wait.
What opinions? He hasn't even said someone he likes? There are no opinions except "Jimbo bad, offense good."


I've stated my opinion. Its been clear. (1) I dont think Jimbo is the best fit (2) Go through the complete process and be willing to bring in a less "popular" guy; and (3) go with whatever the "process" reveals is best.


Those are opinions.
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:47 pm to
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I like him better than almost anyone else but I don't like his play calling at times.
See. At least this guy can say he likes him better than most of our other options.


lol
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:54 pm to
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(2) Go through the complete process and be willing to bring in a less "popular" guy; and (3) go with whatever the "process" reveals is best.
Well, you should go through the "process" and tell us who you want. Because right now, Jimbo is better than anyone you've talked about. Which is no one.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 6:54 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 6:55 pm
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10313 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:02 pm to
He was the same damn coach at LSU and these idiots are on their knees for him. His play calling literally lost the Auburn game in 2006.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:05 pm to
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He was the same damn coach at LSU and these idiots are on their knees for him. His play calling literally lost the Auburn game in 2006.



Who do you want?
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
92330 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:05 pm to
We ran horizontal stretches when he was here. Remember all the bubble screens? Tunnel screens? Our qb did run under jimbo when we had a dual threat. Randall ran. Mauck ran option and qb draws. Skyler green had jet sweeps which are horizontal stretches. Jumbo knows how to attack weaknesses and exploit matchups.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17895 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 7:08 pm to
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I actually read it..

That's a drive from the 1st half.

My post was clearly talking about their 2 TDs in the 3rd qtr. So again, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at.
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