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re: Del Rio Prolly won't be retained

Posted on 1/5/10 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 1/5/10 at 12:26 pm to
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Owner Wayne Weaver owes Del Rio more than $15 million over the next three seasons.



Call him up Dad and work a deal. Have him pay Miles' buyout and we'll pay Del Rio 4.5 mill a year.
Posted by Linkovich
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Posted on 1/5/10 at 4:34 pm to
I'll take him if he brings Monken.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/5/10 at 10:53 pm to
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it's a step backwards career wise for an NFL head coach


Pete Carroll disagrees.

Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 12:03 am to
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John Harbaugh, Rex Ryan, etc and etc?



so we think we can get any NFL head coach to come back to college now? Lets be real.
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Didn't say we could get them, asking what makes him better than them. If you want it stated differently, what makes him better than an average head coach? I didn't think average was desirable.

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Del Rio is 57-55 and has never won his division. What makes him more desirable than Petersen, who has 2 Fiesta bowl wins



How many years did Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Bob Sanders and Reggie Wayne play together in the Big Sky Conference?
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They only play Indy 2 times a year. He has lost 20 in the last 2. Besides, if he comes here will you be happy losing to UF and UA every year?

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And for those who argue that Jacksonville is a tough place to win I give you....Sean Payton



again, your point is that there are better NFL coaches than JDR? Great.
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My point is that there are better coaches everywhere. As I explained earlier, I was just addressing a common defense of his mediocre record --- he plays in a tough place to win.

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ETA: Del Rio is 12-20 over the last two years, the relevant period for most folks here. Seems to me that he is running Jacksonville into the ground.



FYI, you don't get to play ULL, Vandy, MSU, Washington, Tulane and La Tech in the NFL.
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No, but he had trouble handling St. Louis and Cleveland. ULL and Vandy may be better. 12-20. Are you telling me that LSU fans would be happy with consecutive losing seasons?

Again, what makes him such a good coach? He was a good DC. Wonderful. Call Monte Kiffin. He was better. I understand the other pipe dreams around here. Gruden, Shanahan and Cower won Superbowls. Stoops has a BCS NC. Meyer and Saban the same and Saban has history here. Del Rio has...an apartment in New Orleans (maybe)?
Posted by fishngrits
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:03 am to
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Pete Carroll disagrees.



So does Nick Saban, but I think I said that some coaches just weren't cut out to be NFL coaches. Carroll's pro record is 33-31, hardly stellar.

Nice try.
Posted by johnboyjax
Jacksonville
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:23 am to
all you people wanting JDR forget it at least this yr hes not going anywhere much to the dismay of the Jax fanbase its his contract. wayne weaver is giving him another yr.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 7:51 am to
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Macavity92


shite that's hard to read
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:41 am to
JDR is suffering from the fall out of two poor personnel decisions:

the Leftwich era

followed by:

the Garrard era

Garrard is a stand up guy that will make a great coach one day but he is easily the most inconsistent starting QB in the NFL. If JAX played all 16 games at home they would 12-4 every year with Garrard.

Since JAX gave Garrard the big contract JDR is tied to him. HOWEVER with the uncapped year coming I fully expect Garrard to be cut. There are some crazy personnel moves coming from all over the League this off season.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:44 am to
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Garrard is a stand up guy that will make a great coach one day


Can he recruit?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:50 am to
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Can he recruit?


magic 8 ball says yes
Posted by 1999
Where I be
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:50 am to
del rio would be an upgrade for us.

i think he would be a fantastic recruiter and would build big tough football teams we've come to expect at LSU. all in all i think he is the perfect fit.
This post was edited on 1/6/10 at 8:52 am
Posted by Cash
Vail
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 8:51 am to
Sweet, it is a rare talent according to the rant.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:02 am to
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Sweet, it is a rare talent according to the rant.


recruiting is not that tough. Guys that don't know how to teach anything on a field or court are routinely national asst coach of the year because they are:

smooth talkers
highly organized
persistent

and can win the recruiting game.

I once went to a basketball coaching clinic where a college Asst Coach spoke about man to man defense and scheme specific drills they did in practice. HS coaches were literally stifling laughter because the guy was completely out of his depth and couldn't communicate even the simplest concepts. But he was good with the mamas and the aunts and the grandmaws.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:21 am to
While Del Rio has the potential to be great at recruiting and booster relations, the issue is because he has never coached in college in any capacity, he doesn't know himself whether or not he would like and want to do it. Yes, he is a high rewards guy, but he is also a high risk guy who could do some serious unintentional damage to the program if it turns out he doesn't like it and bolts early. Kind of like Saban and the pros in reverse, but he can do more damage with high school relations and booster cohesion. I wouldn't object to his hiring some day, but it should be done with eyes open.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81671 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 10:16 am to
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Didn't say we could get them, asking what makes him better than them. If you want it stated differently, what makes him better than an average head coach? I didn't think average was desirable.


So average in the NFL equates to average in college and great at Boise beating up on Bowling Green would parlay over into SEC dominance. Got it. Makes sense. Who wants the next Pete Carroll when you can have the next Dan Hawkins!!


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Again, what makes him such a good coach? He was a good DC. Wonderful. Call Monte Kiffin. He was better. I understand the other pipe dreams around here. Gruden, Shanahan and Cower won Superbowls. Stoops has a BCS NC. Meyer and Saban the same and Saban has history here. Del Rio has...an apartment in New Orleans (maybe)?


Yeah call a 90 year old with 3 years of HC experience at NC State. 16-17 at NC State is definitely tougher than keeping an NFL job for 7-8 years because you already told us how Vandy and ULL are better than the Cleveland Browns and St. Louis Rams. You are all knowing.
Posted by Cash
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 11:44 am to
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recruiting is not that tough.


JDR's recruiting pitch-

"Son you know you remind me of (insert which ever is more applicable- Ray Lewis, Julius Peppers, MJD, Fred Taylor, Sims-Walker). When I coached him this is how we used him (insert fluff). We would try to use you the same way. If you come to LSU, I'd love to help you become that type of player."

Of course the rant thinks recruiting is rocket science and talking to an 18 year old and their grand maw is something on the Hat, Coach O and Tropper Taylor can do.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6349 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 1:08 pm to
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Again, what makes him such a good coach? He was a good DC. Wonderful. Call Monte Kiffin. He was better. I understand the other pipe dreams around here. Gruden, Shanahan and Cower won Superbowls. Stoops has a BCS NC. Meyer and Saban the same and Saban has history here. Del Rio has...an apartment in New Orleans (maybe)?



Yeah call a 90 year old with 3 years of HC experience at NC State. 16-17 at NC State is definitely tougher than keeping an NFL job for 7-8 years because you already told us how Vandy and ULL are better than the Cleveland Browns and St. Louis Rams. You are all knowing.

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Answer the question. What will make JDR "the next Pete Carroll"? Just because he is an NFL coach that might come to LSU? What separates him from the rest of the flock out there? His record as HC is mediocre. His last two years have been awful. He barely kept his job this year. Dazzle us with your brilliance.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81671 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 1:15 pm to
You still think that NFL coaching is equal to NCAA and even Big Sky Conference coaching? You're so cute.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
90311 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 1:22 pm to
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Of course the rant thinks recruiting is rocket science and talking to an 18 year old and their grand maw is something on the Hat, Coach O and Tropper Taylor can do.


the majority of the actual recruiting process for most programs is handled by people you never even heard of or don't think about. There isn't enough hours in the day for LM or even GC and JC to be continually involved in the ongoing process unless it is a high profile/must have kid.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163151 posts
Posted on 1/6/10 at 1:25 pm to
recruiting is merely a nuisance an NFL guy may or may not want to deal with. Not some skill he'd need to develop

for God's sake Les is is able to impress the shite out of families
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