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Defending Ed O and the right to pick his guys
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:11 am
We had a similar debate about Gus not too long ago.
Look, he is the head coach and will live or die by his hires. Let him make them.
If he screws up, fire him. But if you make someone the head coach you should damn well let them make the decisions.
If it does not work out, fire that AD as well.
Look, he is the head coach and will live or die by his hires. Let him make them.
If he screws up, fire him. But if you make someone the head coach you should damn well let them make the decisions.
If it does not work out, fire that AD as well.
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Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:15 am to higgs_boson
They all need to be fired right now. Joe, king, and O gotta go.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:20 am to higgs_boson
Yeah, but Gus is a head coach. O is a shrimp boat captain
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:22 am to PrairievilleTiger
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They all need to be fired right now. Joe, king, and O gotta go.
Hey Hey, Ho Ho
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:23 am to higgs_boson
I do agree with this position. I don’t like Ed O as our coach, but you need to let him make his own decisions and live with those choices/consequences - good or bad. Why hire a guy only to put handcuffs on him.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:25 am to higgs_boson
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Look, he is the head coach and will live or die by his hires. Let him make them.
he did that already. last year
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:26 am to higgs_boson
O isn’t allowed the luxury of picking his own guys without criticism. He’s not good enough and he hasn’t earned our trust. He promised us the best and he’s giving us far far less than that. Yes we will fire his arse next december, but he will have set our program back years in doing so
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:28 am to higgs_boson
The difference is that Ceauxch Eaux does not know what the heck he is doing. He is completely out of his element as an HC. You'll see.
Alleva never should have been hired to begin with.
Alleva never should have been hired to begin with.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:30 am to higgs_boson
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But if you make someone the head coach
that's a major part of the problem.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:31 am to Upperdecker
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O isn’t allowed the luxury of picking his own guys without criticism. He’s not good enough and he hasn’t earned our trust. He promised us the best and he’s giving us far far less than that. Yes we will fire his arse next december, but he will have set our program back years in doing so
I do not really disagree with any of this, but if you have a head coach who cannot make head coach decisions, you should let him go right now. Otherwise you have to let him do the job he was hired to do.
I admit it is a mess. It seems the problem is the HC hire is not working. That is the issue, not the OC hire.
So either fish or cut bait.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:31 am to higgs_boson
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But if you make someone the head coach you should damn well let them make the decisions.
You would think this would be the case, right? But that is where you are wrong. You see, we hired Orgeron to just sit there and make as few decisions as possible. We hired him to throw a bunch of money at the best coordinators money can buy and keep his hands off both sides the ball. Several posters kept trying to explain how stupid this idea was and that it would never work.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:34 am to UpToPar
Honestly, I think LSU might be better served paying the buyout and letting Aranda take over.
But as long as he is the HC, I think he should get to pick his coordinators.
I hate this for LSU, you have a strong program that has produced so many great teams. I hope it gets sorted. Again, this is from an outsider's perspective, but it seems the issue is with the people who made the HC hire as much as the actual HC.
But as long as he is the HC, I think he should get to pick his coordinators.
I hate this for LSU, you have a strong program that has produced so many great teams. I hope it gets sorted. Again, this is from an outsider's perspective, but it seems the issue is with the people who made the HC hire as much as the actual HC.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:36 am to higgs_boson
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but it seems the issue is with the people who made the HC hire as much as the actual HC.
This is absolutely the root of the issue. Hopefully this experiment is over quick before too much damage is done.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:37 am to higgs_boson
The problem is eventually...you run out of money! You can't just keep firing people. Eventually the mother fricker hiring the guys who do the hiring has to be help accountable.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:38 am to higgs_boson
I think the fans are tired of the lies from the LSU admins. It like the administration doesn’t want to have fans of football.
Les Miles promised to update the offense and was retained another year. He didn’t update anything.
Alleva said he would find the best coach possible. He hired Ed O.
There was outrage around Ed O not knowing dick about offense, so it was promised LSU would hire the best offensive coordinator and let him coach.
Ed O did not let him coach and ran him off.
LSU now has a chance to hire a decent young coordinator, to bring LSU offense into this century, and they are hiring a guy that hasn’t done it in ten years.
Lies, lies, lies is all this admin has given the fans. Frick all of the LSU administration.
Les Miles promised to update the offense and was retained another year. He didn’t update anything.
Alleva said he would find the best coach possible. He hired Ed O.
There was outrage around Ed O not knowing dick about offense, so it was promised LSU would hire the best offensive coordinator and let him coach.
Ed O did not let him coach and ran him off.
LSU now has a chance to hire a decent young coordinator, to bring LSU offense into this century, and they are hiring a guy that hasn’t done it in ten years.
Lies, lies, lies is all this admin has given the fans. Frick all of the LSU administration.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:38 am to Retlaw
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I do agree with this position. I don’t like Ed O as our coach, but you need to let him make his own decisions and live with those choices/consequences - good or bad. Why hire a guy only to put handcuffs on him.
Well O should have lived by this and kept the handcuffs off of his OC who in return would still be here.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:41 am to higgs_boson
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We had a similar debate about Gus not too long ago.
Look, he is the head coach and will live or die by his hires. Let him make them.
If he screws up, fire him. But if you make someone the head coach you should damn well let them make the decisions.
If it does not work out, fire that AD as well.
I agree and disagree. A company or organization has the right to limit or expand their responsibilities as far as their plan or strategy allows for whomever they hire. This goes for any hire at any level.
Sometimes this means complete freedom, sometimes this means no freedom. Usually, it is somewhere in the vast middle. I think we've all seen companies where the President or CEO wants to hire VPs and let it go, or where he wants to hire everyone including the janitor. There isn't a right way, it's just that the emotional side of us automatically desires autonomy, even though there are leaders who possess the skills to deeply manage an entire company.
The level of success is going to depend on leadership and how it plays out, hiring the right people and executing. Both extremes can work, but you can't hire someone who expects and wants freedom and limit it. I would assume that given O's experience there was probably some limitation from the start. The issue is, that this is probably not Alleva's expertise either, hence why everything is playing out as it is.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 8:42 am
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:45 am to Freauxzen
I would completely agree with you that right now LSU athletics is not seen as a very well run organization.
But in your example, it would seem like there needs to be a hostile takeover of the board before anything else.
Again, I do not take any pleasure in seeing any of this. I think O is in over his head, but I also think most would try to get a great job like LSU. The powers that be hired him. That is on them.
But in your example, it would seem like there needs to be a hostile takeover of the board before anything else.
Again, I do not take any pleasure in seeing any of this. I think O is in over his head, but I also think most would try to get a great job like LSU. The powers that be hired him. That is on them.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:48 am to PoppaD
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I think the fans are tired of the lies from the LSU admins. It like the administration doesn’t want to have fans of football.
It all comes down to $$$.
Next December, after the BoS and TAF big shots have seen 75,000-80,000 seats filled in that 102,000 seat stadium on a steady basis...they'll act.
We as fans have to make it hurt.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:55 am to Godfather1
When you hire a head coach and the main talking points the AD gives in his presser are about his energy, enthusiasm, and how much he 'wants' the job, you know there is only one way it ends.
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