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Criteria for next coach
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:42 am
To me, people are getting way too in the weeds on this whole thing. Hiring a new coach is always a bit of a crap shoot even when you think you've nailed it. To me, there are a few basic criteria that a new coaching hire MUST meet.
1) Proven success as a head coach. Running a program is a MUCH different thing than just being successful as an assistant. MANY MANY MANY great assistants have turned out to be poor head coaches. It's not the same skill set.
2) History must indicate that we can expect him to recruit well from south Louisiana. This one is a bit tough to gauge, but bottom line. In college, you can hire Belicheck and if he can't recruit, he'll suck.
3) While I am not completely opposed to it, I would prefer to not have a coach who is 100% spread all spread all the time. You can open an offense up quite well thank you without giving up on your ability to line it up and jam 2 yards down their throats when you have to. Many people mistake multiple wides with a "spread". While that certainly "spreads" the field, it is not the "spread". Regardless of what we pick, it has to be a guy who believes in attacking weaknesses. This whole, "I'll line my 11 and whip your 11" attitude is stupid. The other guys are on scholarship too and some of them have good coaches! If one coach is placing mental pressure on his opponent and the other is not, the 1st guy is gonna win most of the time.
1) Proven success as a head coach. Running a program is a MUCH different thing than just being successful as an assistant. MANY MANY MANY great assistants have turned out to be poor head coaches. It's not the same skill set.
2) History must indicate that we can expect him to recruit well from south Louisiana. This one is a bit tough to gauge, but bottom line. In college, you can hire Belicheck and if he can't recruit, he'll suck.
3) While I am not completely opposed to it, I would prefer to not have a coach who is 100% spread all spread all the time. You can open an offense up quite well thank you without giving up on your ability to line it up and jam 2 yards down their throats when you have to. Many people mistake multiple wides with a "spread". While that certainly "spreads" the field, it is not the "spread". Regardless of what we pick, it has to be a guy who believes in attacking weaknesses. This whole, "I'll line my 11 and whip your 11" attitude is stupid. The other guys are on scholarship too and some of them have good coaches! If one coach is placing mental pressure on his opponent and the other is not, the 1st guy is gonna win most of the time.
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 10:47 am to ShortyRob
quote:So what type of "spread" do you want? Spread offenses are so varied that just saying "spread" is pretty meaningless.
I would prefer to not have a coach who is 100% spread all spread all the time. You can open an offense up quite well thank you without giving up on your ability to line it up and jam 2 yards down their throats when you have to. Many people mistake multiple wides with a "spread". While that certainly "spreads" the field, it is not the "spread".
Regardless, you can't just install an offense without the personnel to run it. If the goal is a particular scheme, it can take years to recruit the players you need. In the meantime, you need to mold the offense to your roster.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
It seems that LSU has been most successful on O when they have used multiple O formations. Pro sets, single back, shotgun, etc. This does seem to support the belief in a philosophy that aims to scheme against opponents' weaknesses and exploiting them.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:07 am to ShortyRob
I would like a guy that has built a program or made one better than when he came in
as far as recruiting south LA thats what Jaluke was hired to do, just need to keep him.
I would agree with #3, Im not much of full on spread guy, but I do like having the bigger backs and bigger oline we are used to having and just pounding opponents DL after we have softened them up with the pass.. and vice versa.. hell just balance will do wonders..
as far as recruiting south LA thats what Jaluke was hired to do, just need to keep him.
I would agree with #3, Im not much of full on spread guy, but I do like having the bigger backs and bigger oline we are used to having and just pounding opponents DL after we have softened them up with the pass.. and vice versa.. hell just balance will do wonders..
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:07 am to ShortyRob
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Proven success as a head coach. Running a program is a MUCH different thing than just being successful as an assistant. MANY MANY MANY great assistants have turned out to be poor head coaches. It's not the same skill set.
O won't get the job unless he is very successful this season. Slightly above average won't get it done.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:11 am to TigerFan55555
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as far as recruiting south LA thats what Jaluke was hired to do, just need to keep him.
Assuming that will happen is naive. Coaches like to bring in their own guys. Telling a coach who he has to keep is poor leadership.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:12 am to emanresu
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O won't get the job unless he is very successful this season
he wont get it period, nor should he.. we were suppose to be in the playoff this year remember.. if he runs the table he is basically doing what should have happened in the first place..
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:21 am to ShortyRob
10-2 is the minimum W/L record.
Top 5 recruiting every year, minimum.
SEC/National championship every 3 to 5 years, minimum.
Top 5 recruiting every year, minimum.
SEC/National championship every 3 to 5 years, minimum.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:32 am to lurkr
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10-2 is the minimum W/L record.
Top 5 recruiting every year, minimum.
SEC/National championship every 3 to 5 years, minimum.
So bare minimum you want the next Saban?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:49 am to Korkstand
The next coach has to be better than who we just fired.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:52 am to lurkr
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The next coach has to be better than who we just fired.
That's quite a bit more broad than your initial requirements. At first you wanted a unicorn. Now you are asking for basically anyone. There are at least 40 coaches fitting that description.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 12:31 pm to Korkstand
That's what the last coach did minus the championships. So the next coach has to be better
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:O didn't say I wanted the spread and yes, I know there are many flavors of spread
what type of "spread" do you want? Spread offenses are so varied that just saying "spread" is pretty meaningless.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 1:10 am to lurkr
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That's what the last coach did minus the championships.
... huh?
Les Miles hadn't had a 10-2 regular season since 2012. '13, '14 and '15 were 3+ regular season losses, and it's hard to argue that 2016 would have been a 10-2 regular season when it was all over.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 4:54 am to lurkr
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That's what the last coach did minus the championships. So the next coach has to be better
This right here!
Posted on 10/6/16 at 7:28 am to Korkstand
I would want Meyer's Spread Option offense...
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So, now what is the Spread Option Offense? The Spread is about matchups. Remember David Givens? How can we get our speedy playmakers the ball? The spread is about getting the ball thrown, handed off, pitched, or snapped to speedy offensive playmakers in space to let them work their magic. If you have the better athletes, you can win with any type of offense. Eddie George won in the I-formation. You have to have the best talent. After that, it doesn't really matter what offense you run. Urban Meyer thinks that if a coach says he doesn't have the players to run his offense, then the coach needs to be fired. How many times do you hear a coach say, "I don't have a West Coast quarterback, so I can't run my offense." Coaches need to adapt to their talent. Something Meyer did well with Alex Smith at Utah and Leak at Florida. It wasn't until Tebow started that the Spread Option was in full gear (the way Harris used to run it in it's infancy at Bowling Green). The Spread Option Offense is about an offensive versus defensive numbers game. Similar to a basketball fast break, except Meyer adds a read option. If the quarterback reads the option correctly, the offense is always right! The offense should always outnumber or match the defense. The Spread wants to use the entire field. Make the defense defend all 53 yards of width and 100 yards of length. The spread wants to even out the numbers. If the quarterback can run, you have 11 offensive players against 11 defensive players. If the quarterback can't run, then you are down to 10 offensive players versus 11 defensive players. If the quarterback hands off to a running back, you are down to 9 versus 11, because neither the QB nor RB can be involved in blocking for the ball carrier. The Spread is an offensive philosophy. It is not a formation. It is not a collection of plays. It's not a playbook. Everyone has plays and playbooks. It's about implementation of an entirely new thought process and new approach to football which tries to showcase the playmakers. It's a process, not a collection of plays. The Spread tries to equate numbers. You never hand the ball off to an offensive player unless everyone is blocked or out of the play. It all starts with the quarterback in shotgun reading the defense. Is it "one-high" or "two-high?" One safety or two? Or no safeties? Meyer's spread also likes count defenders in terms of "plus" or "minus." If the offense has one more blocker than the defense has players, you are "plus one." If you have six defenders in a certain area, you have to make sure you have an equal number of blockers. Pretty easy? The Spread always starts out from a shotgun formation. Hence, you always read one defender and you do not block him. You always have to have a "hat on a hat", or a blocker on all the defenders. The quarterback has to read the off-side defensive end or linebacker, who goes unblocked at the point of attack, and then the quarterback simply runs the option play. Easy enough? The problem for defenders is that they try to cover everyone and can't. If the defensive end comes flying around the corner towards the running back, the ball is given to the running back to go up the middle and all defenders are blocked. If the defensive end stays home or goes inside to stop the run up the middle, the quarterback has an option to run to the sideline and take it up field himself, option the ball to the receiver running the option with him or find an open wide receiver down field for a pass. The offense is always right! So what if a defense decides to have no safeties and put everyone in the box? This gives the offense a "plus one" or one man advantage, and the pass goes to the open wide receiver. Can the defense really cover five speedy offensive player, whether they be running backs, wide receivers or tight ends? If all four defensive backs are in man coverage, will they really be able to cover? Not at the high school level, not in college, and not even in the NFL. So if there is no deep, the quarterback should hit the deep ball and score an easy touchdown.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
LSU didn't really turn the corner until Saban, then Miles, starting locking up the state on the recruiting trail. Sure, a few good players got out, but for the most part, if you were a great HS player in LA you went to LSU. The next coach MUST be able to recruit at least as well as Miles. I don't necessarily want an "offense first" guy. For all the spread teams and everything else, the game is still won at the LOS. When LSU was dominant on defense, it was because they had a dominant DL. Louisiana and the surrounding area (particularly Texas) produces great D-lineman. The next coach has to make getting those guys a priority.
He also has to be able to deal with the pressure and ridiculous expectations of SEC fans. Things are great when you are winning, but you are always ONE loss away from fans going apoplectic. The HC has to remain on an even keel throughout and not let the outside BS brought on by the fanbase bother him.
The next HC has to understand and be comfortable in the fact that he will be THE most important person in Baton Rouge and be willing to accept all that comes with it.
He also has to be able to deal with the pressure and ridiculous expectations of SEC fans. Things are great when you are winning, but you are always ONE loss away from fans going apoplectic. The HC has to remain on an even keel throughout and not let the outside BS brought on by the fanbase bother him.
The next HC has to understand and be comfortable in the fact that he will be THE most important person in Baton Rouge and be willing to accept all that comes with it.
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