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re: Belowpar - Any chance Crowton is still leaving??

Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:05 pm to
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We don't have the time for him to cut his teeth.


bingo. if he wants to go start out at a UCF or something, cool. but we need something a little more definite.
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:06 pm to
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Regardless just saying he's worked under Urban doesn't really mean you just hand him over an offense. Is that all you got?

you don't have enough against making him OC.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163153 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:08 pm to
I've already given you the reason its a bad move. All you bring to the table is that he worked under Urban Meyer. So the frick what?
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:11 pm to
that's all you got

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don't have the time for him to cut his teeth.

Posted by CAT
Central Arkansas
Member since Aug 2006
7351 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:11 pm to
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Damnit! You frickers are getting my hopes up again. Something better happen.


This
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:15 pm to
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that's all you got


to be perfectly honest, the fact that Urban passed him over for OC kinda diminishes the fact thet he has worked under Urban for 8 years.........don't you think?
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3971 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:18 pm to
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We don't have the time for him to cut his teeth.


Could he do any worse than Crowton? We had the 112th ranked offense this year! Seems like almost anyone would be an improvement.
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:22 pm to
stop attacking my not so superior looks bil, it hurts on the inside. you're better than that buddy.

btw this is a pretty impressive resume and as seen last night being promoted from WR coach to OC can be a good thing (TT)

-1994 MacMurray (Ill.) (Wide Receivers)
15 seasons of coaching experience.
-The Florida receiving unit has improved each year since Gonzales’ arrival in yards per catch from 11.3 in 2005 to 13.0 in 2006, 13.9 in 2007 and 16.01 in 2008.
-UF had four players with five or more receiving TDs in 2008, while no other team in the SEC had more than two players with five or more scores.
-The Gators’ wide receiving corps had 27 receiving touchdowns, six more than any other group in the conference in 2008. As a whole, UF receivers totaled 2,241 yards, the third-best mark in the SEC.
-Has produced the UF career reception leader (Andre Caldwell, 185), UF and Utah single-season reception leaders (Paris Warren, 80, 2004 and Chad Jackson, 88, 2005), 2006 SEC Freshman of the Year and 2006 SEC Championship Game MVP (Percy Harvin) and two bowl game MVPs (Warren, Utah, 2005 Fiesta Bowl and Dallas Baker, Outback Bowl, 2006).
-Guided Percy Harvin, who scored a touchdown in each of the last 15 games he played in throughout 2007-08, the longest streak in the nation.
-Receivers have become a part of the running aspect of the Florida offense since 2005, as the group has carried the ball 222 times for 1,781 yards and 15 touchdowns. The Gator offense has averaged 8.0 yards per play when a member of the unit carries the ball.
-Helped Andre Caldwell become Florida's all-time leader in career receptions. Caldwell finished his career with 185 catches for 2,349 yards and 16 touchdowns. His 185 catches rank as the ninth-highest total in SEC history.
-The 2007 season marked the third time in school history UF had four different players with 100-yard receiving games (Caldwell, Harvin, Riley Cooper, Cornelius Ingram).
-Directed a dynamic receiving corp in 2006 that posted 201 catches, 2,713 yards and 25 touchdowns, while also rushing for 676 yards and five touchdowns on 80 carries (8.5 yards per rush).
-Guided Percy Harvin to SEC Freshman of the Year honors in 2006 after he recorded 34 receptions for 427 yards, 41 carries for 428 and a combined five touchdowns in 2006. Harvin accumulated 855 yards of total offense on 75 touches during the 2006 season, giving him an average of 11.4 yards per touch. He was named the MVP of the SEC Championship Game with a performance that included six runs for 105 yards and one touchdown and five receptions for 62 yards including one for a touchdown.
-In 2005, helped Chad Jackson match the UF single-season reception record held by Carlos Alvarez (88 receptions). The total ranked sixth nationally, led the SEC and placed fourth in all-time conference history.
-Jackson and Baker finished first and seventh in the SEC in 2005 in receptions per game with 7.3 and 4.3, respectively, and third and eighth in the conference in receiving yards per game with 75.0 and 58.1. UF was one of only two schools to have two players finish in the top 10 in receptions per game and one of three to have two do so in receiving yards per game.
-Worked with an explosive Utah offense in 2004 that recorded 499.8 yards per game (No. 3 nationally), including 263.7 yards receiving (19th nationally) and an average of 14 yards per catch.
-Under his guidance, Steve Savoy and Paris Warren each earned All-Mountain West Conference recognition at wide receiver in 2004. Savoy (67 catches, 961 yards) had 11 touchdown receptions and averaged 80.1 yards per game and 14.3 per catch. Warren (80 catches, 1,076 yards) caught 12 touchdowns and averaged 13.4 yards per reception.
-Four different Utes totaled over 350 yards receiving during the squad's perfect 12-0 season: Paris Warren (1,076), Steve Savoy (961), Travis LaTendresse (411) and John Madsen (377). Overall, Utah wide receivers scored 39 touchdowns in 2004.
Worked with Paris Warren, who set a Fiesta Bowl receptions’ record with 15 for 198 yards and two
touchdowns against Pittsburgh in January of 2005.
Warren set a Ute single-season reception record with 80 catches in 2004 and also led the league in receptions per game (6.67), a total that ranked 17th in the nation.
-The Ute kickers were a perfect 7-for-7 in field goal attempts in 2004 and punter Matt Kovacevich was an honorable mention All-MWC pick after averaging 41.7 yards per kick. In 2004, the Utes led the league and ranked third nationally in net punting (40.8) and were tops among the MWC and fifth nationally in kick returns (26.2) after leading the country in the department in 2003 (28.2).
-During his first season as Utah's receivers coach in 2003, he inherited a receiving corps that had graduated its three top players from the previous campaign. Helped develop Paris Warren, playing for the first time in two years after transferring from Oregon, into a first-team All-Mountain West Conference receiver.
-Also coached Ben Moa, a first-team All-MWC tight end who trained with the receivers. In addition, Steve Savoy was named an honorable mention Freshman All-American by College Football News.
Coached the receivers and served as co-recruiting coordinator at Bowling Green during the 2002 season. In two years with the Falcons, Gonzales assisted with one of the most explosive offenses in the nation. Bowling Green ranked third nationally in scoring offense (40.8 points per game) and was ninth in total offense (448.92 yards per game).
-Receiver Robert Redd was a two-time first-team All-Mid-American Conference selection who ranked 10th in the nation in receptions per game in 2002.
Spent the 1995-2000 seasons at Kent State, including the last four years in a full-time role. Coached the wide receivers between 1998-2000. Was an offensive graduate assistant for the Golden Flashes from 1995-96 before becoming the running backs coach in 1997.
-Began his coaching career in 1994 at MacMurray College (Ill.), a Division III program. He was hired by Midwestern (Texas) State, an NCAA Division II school, after the 1994 season but stayed only through the spring before taking a graduate assistantship at Kent State.

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to be perfectly honest, the fact that Urban passed him over for OC kinda diminishes the fact thet he has worked under Urban for 8 years.........don't you think?
he was passed up for someone who was with him longer and was already Asst. Head Coach. that's not a stretch dude.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 7:25 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163153 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:24 pm to
just because he could do better than one of the worst offenses in the country doesn't really mean its a good idea to make him our OC. If we can get a proven guy, we should.

I don't see how this so hard
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3971 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:28 pm to
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If we can get a proven guy, we should


I agree with you on this. But if it's between Crowton and Gonzales, who you want as the OC? I'm willing to take a chance on Gonzales if that's the only option to Crowton at this time.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:29 pm to
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my guess is that we will never see Belowpar posting anything on this site again after some of the posters calling him out....etc


if true, he has one hell of a thin skin. so if someone calls him out he takes his ball and goes home. if so, the man is a wuss. i never got that impression. if he has inside info, he's either a sneak or is exhibiting some gonads by posting on here. he also, may have been "caught" and shut down.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46381 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:33 pm to
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A guy who has WR coaching experience should be able to coach QB's I'd think. Unless he's lived under a rock his entire coaching career, it shouldn't be too far fetched.


you got an ally on the rant Acre
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:36 pm to
i read it and edited my post.
Posted by Polar Bear
Member since Oct 2009
1800 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:38 pm to
Crowton was a "proven" guy.

We all know how that has turned out...
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15375 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:44 pm to
I've said it before and it's worth saying again - this is what did Tubbs in and from the looks of it will do Miles in too. When you are replacing Coordinators at the end of every year to "fix" the problem you're one bad hire away from getting canned (see Tony Franklin).

It's worth noting that a HC who is involved and knows what the frick he's doing doesn't let his asst's screw it up to this level. For Miles, this has happened twice in two years - a bad hire here makes it 3 years and with next years schedule a bad hire here = Miles fired.

If I'm Miles there's no way I'm hiring Gonzo as OC, good as he MIGHT be, when my livelihood and $4MM a year is on the line.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 7:45 pm
Posted by Sonny Koufax
Member since Aug 2006
1714 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:46 pm to
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Crowton was a "proven" guy.

We all know how that has turned out...

Excellent point!
Posted by German Shepard
Berlin, Germany
Member since Jan 2009
1065 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:53 pm to
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Crowton was a "proven" guy.


Yes he had a proven track record alright. Remember that article about him? The one that turned out painfully true at LSU as well.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:57 pm to
ive posted it too many times on here. and that was before he even coached one practice at LSU...
Posted by German Shepard
Berlin, Germany
Member since Jan 2009
1065 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 7:58 pm to
Yep, I'd say those results are proven.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:01 pm to
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I've said it before and it's worth saying again - this is what did Tubbs in and from the looks of it will do Miles in too. When you are replacing Coordinators at the end of every year to "fix" the problem you're one bad hire away from getting canned (see Tony Franklin).


Good point but not entirely true. Tubbs actually had a track record of hiring great assistants. He had:

Petrino- OC, went on to be coach at Louisville, Atlanta Falcons, and Arkansas. Great coach IMHO.

Gene Chizik-DC, went to be DC at Texas, and parlayed that into coach at Iowas State and Auburn.

Will Muschamp-DC, was great at LSU, Auburn, and now Texas. Looks to be next coach at UT.

What got Tubbs fired was trying to run a strange version of the spread offense and not committing to it. Their offense was almost as bad as ours was this year, and they ended up with 5 wins. Combine this with an administration who wanted him gone, and he ended up being fired. As bad as our offense was this year, our defense was good and we were still able to go 9-3. If Miles makes a good hire, than all is well, because I think our defense is/was good enough to be SEC Championship worthy if complimented by a good offense. Now, we have an administration that seems to want Miles gone, so if he wins 6 or 7 games next year, than the Tubbs comparison is more appropriate. Sorry for length of post.
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