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re: Are the Baker rumors disinformation/misdirection?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:17 pm to mizslu314
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:17 pm to mizslu314
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Didn’t BK fire baker?
Not retaining a guy during a coaching transition isn’t the same as firing them. Few to no coordinators or position coaches are usually retained during a transition, so it’s not like this was out of the ordinary.
Baker coached LBs here and that was House’s position group. I know Mizzou initially hired him to be the Safeties coach there and Kelly hired a guy who worked under him at ND for that role here. New head coaches tend to bring in their own people over guys they don’t know. None of this means as much as some want it to.
There is enough Baker talk going around that I’m beginning buy the smokescreen argument. That’s how things typically work with Woodward and Kelly now.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 10:18 pm
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:39 pm to subidc
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I think this Baker stuff is Baron Rouge media driven.
The Red Baron media?
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:46 pm to Manswers
I believe absolutely nothing that I read while I voraciously consume every piece of info I can find
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:52 pm to CottonWasKing
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I believe absolutely nothing that I read while I voraciously consume every piece of info I can find
This is the way.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:33 pm to Manswers
I think they’re just reaching out to possible candidates and having the necessary conversations. IMO the leading candidate stuff is just a wild guess. He was a darn good position coach and recruiter. Now whether he’d come back to LSU as a position coach with the possibility to become the future DC while working under someone isn’t likely but who knows. I know he really liked his job at LSU and the pay wouldn’t be that far off. Your opportunities at LSU are much different than at Missouri.
Winning championships, working with elite talent, recruiting elite talent, working with elite coaches and ability to slowly ascend at a championship program can help your career take off. They just reaching out to possible candidates at this point.
Winning championships, working with elite talent, recruiting elite talent, working with elite coaches and ability to slowly ascend at a championship program can help your career take off. They just reaching out to possible candidates at this point.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:34 pm to Manswers
I believe Minter is the guy and baker is a smoke screen. BK has some history with him. I don’t think he brings Raymond back either.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:01 am to BayouBengal99
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I think they’re just reaching out to possible candidates and having the necessary conversations. IMO the leading candidate stuff is just a wild guess. He was a darn good position coach and recruiter. Now whether he’d come back to LSU as a position coach with the possibility to become the future DC while working under someone isn’t likely but who knows. I know he really liked his job at LSU and the pay wouldn’t be that far off. Your opportunities at LSU are much different than at Missouri.
Winning championships, working with elite talent, recruiting elite talent, working with elite coaches and ability to slowly ascend at a championship program can help your career take off. They just reaching out to possible candidates at this point.
House was supposed to be a homerun hired. He did very well under Stoops at Kentucky.
How will you know he would do better or the same at LSU under Brian Kelly?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:02 am to BayouBengal99
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Your opportunities at LSU are much different than at Missouri. Winning championships, working with elite talent, recruiting elite talent, working with elite coaches and ability to slowly ascend at a championship program can help your career take off.
This is just delusional and frankly not true anymore in the portal era.
Blake wants to be a HC and has a pretty loaded defense coming back with his guys that are familiar with his scheme. #1 DL recruit coming in and several impact transfers.
The Mizzou defense will almost certainly be better than whatever he can muster at LSU year 1 anyway.
Mizzou has a really good shot at being a playoff team. LSU might as well, but he’d be leaving a ready made position and one hell of a springboard because his wife played tiddlywinks at LSU?
Seems pretty dumb
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:10 am to Manswers
I’d love to have baker back but I just don’t see them playing House’s buyout , Baker’s buyout , AND a new contract for Baker
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:35 am to JesusQuintana
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Mizzou has a really good shot at being a playoff team. LSU might as well, but he’d be leaving a ready made position and one hell of a springboard because his wife played tiddlywinks at LSU?
Go ahead if you want to compare the ability of the 2 programs to recruit, but you will be disappointed there. And when we’ve been active in the portal, we’ve pulled top 5 groups both years. There is no real comparison.
As for looking at the now only, that’s short-sighted. Look at Ohio St. They are the perfect example of how fast a defense that has talent but has been poorly coached and managed can be turned around. They were good in year one under Jim Knowles and back to very good to great in year two. They held your offense in check for 3 quarters with absolutely no help from their offense.
Knowles could have easily stayed at OK St on the heels of just missing the playoffs and losing a close one in the Big 12 Title Game, but he left for a defensive overhaul at a bigger program. Different guys make different decisions, but it happens.
Personally, I don’t think Baker is going to be the main focus. Based on how tight a kid Kelly and this athletic department keeps on info, this is either a smokescreen or Baker’s agent fishing for even more money.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 12:39 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:53 am to Manswers
If any of this has taught us anything it’s pretty clear that absolutely no leaks have gotten out and nothing is going to happen the way we’re hearing it.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:33 am to JesusQuintana
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Seems pretty dumb
Well, first of all, you must have missed where I said unlikely to happen. Secondly it seems dumb in the short term but not in the long term. Especially for someone who truly enjoys recruiting like he does, has a positive history with LSU and has family ties to Baton Rouge, if I’m not mistaken. He definitely has ties to Louisiana.
A chance to work under the winningest HC in the SEC or country, a chance to work under or with an experienced elite DC (if hired), a REAL opportunity to transition into that DC’s position after a few years, competitive pay (let’s say 850k) with bonuses for success and the chance to work with an elite defensive staff under you, already in position. Let’s say we go out and land Bo Davis or equivalent and two of the best DB coaches in the country.
If LSU does go the route of a proven/ experienced DC and promise to allow Baker access or give him DC duties, knowing the current DC will likely take a HC job after a few years or if we did win a championship, then that is absolutely something that would be enticing for someone like Baker.
What if he fails at Missouri the next few seasons and he’s aware of those chances? Taking a 3 year job at LSU, that almost matches your current pay to slowly transition into a championship programs DC position, with another 3 year contract worth 1.5 to 2 million/ year, plus bonuses for success, would definitely be something worth considering at least.
If you had to bet on which program would have more successful seasons and championships in a 10 year period which would you bet on, LSU or Mizzou? That’s a simple answer, without being completely bias or actually delusional.
I’m not saying any of this is going to happen or is even likely, but it’s a possibility, if that’s what LSU wanted to do? Hire someone proven in the short term with a promising DC to work under that guy so you have stability long term and familiarity with players, recruits and staff. It’s not a crazy idea imo.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:45 am to misey94
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Go ahead if you want to compare the ability of the 2 programs to recruit, but you will be disappointed there. And when we’ve been active in the portal, we’ve pulled top 5 groups both years. There is no real comparison.
As for looking at the now only, that’s short-sighted. Look at Ohio St. They are the perfect example of how fast a defense that has talent but has been poorly coached and managed can be turned around. They were good in year one under Jim Knowles and back to very good to great in year two. They held your offense in check for 3 quarters with absolutely no help from their offense.
Knowles could have easily stayed at OK St on the heels of just missing the playoffs and losing a close one in the Big 12 Title Game, but he left for a defensive overhaul at a bigger program. Different guys make different decisions, but it happens.
Personally, I don’t think Baker is going to be the main focus. Based on how tight a kid Kelly and this athletic department keeps on info, this is either a smokescreen or Baker’s agent fishing for even more money.
Drinkwitz is building Mizzou to be a playoff team for next year and beyond. This new transfer rule and NIL is what giving Drinkwitz a chance to compete for playoff every year.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:51 am to TrueLefty
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House was supposed to be a homerun hired. He did very well under Stoops at Kentucky. How will you know he would do better or the same at LSU under Brian Kelly?
I remember that there were some questions about House. One was that he didn’t like recruiting and that’s why he left college. The other was that his defense didn’t improve until UK current DC joined the staff. Of course, Fickell insinuated that Denbrock wasn’t the play caller at Cincy. I took everything with a grain of salt. I guess the House chatter was true.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:33 am to Manswers
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Looking back on the Kelly hiring, I'm convinced Riley was a misdirection and Kelly was the main focus all the time. I think LSU did that to throw off Notre Dame and maximize their chances to close the deal with minimal ND interference. There's an awful lot of noise about Baker but I'm starting to sense he's not the main target. I have no information - just a hunch.
That sounds about right. It would not surprise me at all if they are going else where. Same with all of the Raymond talk. Chevis Jackson was on campus a few weeks ago.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:33 am to toughcrittercrumb
Mascona never mentioned Baker as a possible target as DC on AFR today so obviously Baker is a smoke screen
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:51 am to BayouBengal99
Wait, are you saying he’d take a position coach job at LSU?
Surely you’re not serious.
Surely you’re not serious.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:58 am to toughcrittercrumb
House was not a homerun hire.
One reason he left UK for the NFL was because he hated recruiting
One reason he left UK for the NFL was because he hated recruiting
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:59 am to Manswers
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I think LSU did that to throw off Notre Dame and maximize their chances to close the deal with minimal ND interference.
I think LSU simply played along while Trace Armstrong Sextoned the shite out of USC.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:02 am to mattz1122
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“Smoke screen”
House would still play prevent
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