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re: Anybody else have the feeling we're going to end up with someone from our second tier?

Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:57 pm to
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Yeah. That Hallman nonsense is just lazy


exactly...anyone comparing napier to hallman is retarded and is get off my lawn old.
Posted by Patinataz
Bossier City
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:57 pm to
Aranda isn’t on my second tier. He’s on my 1st tier and top 3 .
Posted by CouldCareLess
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:02 pm to
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I don't see the parallel at all between Napier and Hallman


*Both were/are lower mid level programs in lower mid level conferences.

*Both have had relative successes as of late playing in "their lane".

*Neither have/had experience running a top 10 program, everything from record, facilities, fan support, etc. Hell, UL-L averages less than 19,000 for home games

*UL-L strength of schedule is currently #81. Much easier road for that perceived success.

*I can go on and on, but if you're gonna pay up to $9MM a year with all the other shite that goes along with all things LSU, go out and get the real thing as opposed to someone trying to build a resume. This is the SEC, not the Sun Belt.
Posted by CouldCareLess
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:08 pm to
Curly Hallman's success was tied to Brett Favre's career. no Favre; no success. Napier doesn't have a Favre type player playing for him. For the reasons you mentioned Napier might be the biggest risk out of Aranda, Tucker, and Napier, but he's no Curly Hallman
Posted by CouldCareLess
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:14 pm to
ok, but other then Favre, their paths and background to success are similar.

Napier is good at what he does, but its 5 levels lower than all things LSU.
Posted by DashRipRock
Banana Republic
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:20 pm to
Any coach on that list is a step up from the last two.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:29 pm to
so was meyer, brian kelly, chris peterson etc

P5 coaches dont normally move and no Napier path is nothing like Hallman.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34402 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:29 pm to
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For various reasons, I don't see us hiring Luke Fickell, Lincoln Riley, James Franklin, Jimbo Fisher, Chris Petersen, Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban

Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:48 pm to



Posted by LSUChamps03
S. Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
3307 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:48 pm to
Curley Hallman was probably a good teacher of old school football fundamentals. He was likely most qualified to be a DB coach at the college level, nothing more. All you had to do was listen to the man speak for 30 seconds to know he didn’t have the organizational acumen to run a major college football program.

If you have done even a minimal amount of research on Napier you’d quickly learn why he’s so highly regarded in the football coach world. Ideally, sure, it’d be nice if he’d spent his last three years coaching at a P5 program. But each case, each coach is different.

When picking coaches the really bright ADs have the ability to find the next great coach. And if he thinks it’s Billy Napier I have full confidence Woodward will hire him, regardless of what some fans will find comforting. When he wins they’ll come around.

Bottom line is Napier is qualified. Maybe not to all of the water cooler ADs out there, but to those who know he’s worth every consideration.

Side note RE: Hallman. He was being interviewed after one of the many losses LSU suffered under his watch. He said turnovers once again hurt the team. Specifically he said, “Turnovers have been our Achilles’ tendon all year.” All you could do was shake your head.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:02 pm to
Some of the names on the 2nd tier are preferable to those on the first tier.
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
13308 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:55 pm to
Bull fricking shite. If we end up with napier, aranda, or tucker and dont at least steal kiffin from ole miss. I will be livid.
Posted by berniemoore
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2021
1090 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:16 pm to
Tucker is hc at big 10 school he ain’t leaving to be dc

The stupidity level of this post is to infinity and beyond
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
22262 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:21 pm to
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Tucker as a DC.


??
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
40220 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:22 pm to
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Matthew Allen Campbell

Ding...Ding...
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:27 pm to
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but he's no Curly Hallman

uh, nether of them won a conference championship at the level they were coaching. If you are not proving yourself to be head and shoulders above other G5 teams, and coaches, then you are most certainly not ready for the SEC.
Posted by Cenlabration
The Ville of Pine
Member since Apr 2021
1547 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:48 pm to
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Some of the names on the 2nd tier are preferable to those on the first tier.


I honestly hope they miss on the tier 1 guys. I want Aranda or Napier
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:37 pm to
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All you had to do was listen to the man speak for 30 seconds



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If you have done even a minimal amount of research on Napier you’d quickly learn why he’s so highly regarded in the football coach world.


Because Napier talks nice? Why is how they talk always so important? You know theres a level of coach where they dont sound like a dumbass AND they have a good/experienced coaching resume?

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Bottom line is Napier is qualified.


Where's the evidence he's qualified based on whats provable? Just pointing to how he talks and the behind the scenes "respect" isn't selling me that he's a superior candidate to the other coaches within his tier (Mel Tucker, Dave Aranda).


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but to those who know he’s worth every consideration.


Another, "people who know say he's good". This is bullshite. Why is all of this respect so silent? Show me what hes done on the field.



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He said turnovers once again hurt the team. Specifically he said, “Turnovers have been our Achilles’ tendon all year.” All you could do was shake your head.


Yes, well there are a lot of decent coaches who dont talk like dumbasses. Just because Napier "sounds nice" doesnt make him a better candidate than your Riley, Kiffin, or Fickell.

I place Napier firmly in the Tucker and Aranda tier. I think Aranda is ahead of him simply because he's been at LSU and has seen exactly what success at LSU looks like and he's one of the best defensive minds in the land. Aranda is also proving at Baylor that being a defensive minded HC doesn't mean you will lack on the offensive side of the ball.

Aranda has been at Wisconsin and LSU, both large programs with national prominence and now he's been a head man at Baylor with success.

This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
38504 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:46 pm to
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Another, "people know say he's good". This is bullshite.





Here’s what I don’t get about the Napier/former orgeron crew.

“Those who know” think he’s elite per them. They act like he is Saban incarnate and everyone can tell.

Why the hell couldnt he get a spot higher than ULL? I’m going to take Lincoln Riley and Ryan day off the table because they stayed at their previous places. Otherwise every “known genius” assistant gets a mid tier power 5 job or higher and it’s been that way for forever.

Aranda got Baylor, Steve sarkisian-UW and then Texas. Mullen got miss state, Kirby got Georgia, bob stoops got Oklahoma, charlie strong got Texas. Muschamp got Florida on and on and on.

If everyone knows he’s an up and comer and he blows everyone away then why’d he have to go to ULL? It’s because the guy was never trusted to hold a high level power 5 coordinator job. If the guy couldn’t handle being a elite tier coordinator then how is he the next Saban?
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 6:51 pm
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