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Another obstacle for LSU getting a new OC
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:14 pm
I’ve realized Ed Orgeron doesn’t hire assistants that have previous Head Coaching experience besides High School.
Kiffin was always gonna get a head coaching job after Bama. Hugh Freeze would be an absolute shocker unless he came as an analyst. Baby Briles has a chance since LSU would never hire him as head coach anytime soon.
Sarkisian is out.
Even Derek Dooley has disqualified himself, not that he would be wanted.
Ed knows Alleva has said previous head coaching experience is a must for hires. Orgeron isn’t completely stupid.
Kiffin was always gonna get a head coaching job after Bama. Hugh Freeze would be an absolute shocker unless he came as an analyst. Baby Briles has a chance since LSU would never hire him as head coach anytime soon.
Sarkisian is out.
Even Derek Dooley has disqualified himself, not that he would be wanted.
Ed knows Alleva has said previous head coaching experience is a must for hires. Orgeron isn’t completely stupid.
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:15 pm to Soup Sammich
If it actually came out that Orgeron was sandbagging his own hires because he was fearful of his own job security there would be riots.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:15 pm to Soup Sammich
Kendall Briles was never a HC
Also Dooley is trash. You shouldn’t mention him.
Also Dooley is trash. You shouldn’t mention him.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:17 pm to jlovel7
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If it actually came out that Orgeron was sandbagging his own hires because he was fearful of his own job security there would be riots.
You think if Ed O was the HC in 2015 that he would’ve hired an Ed O type hire as Dline coach?
No chance
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:44 pm to wildtigercat93
Then his arse would be in the jackpot! Go tigahs. No chance.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:03 pm to jlovel7
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If it actually came out that Orgeron was sandbagging his own hires because he was fearful of his own job security there would be riots.
I don't understand the line of thought and not sure where it's coming from. The HC would be fired for making great hires and having success? How often does that happen.
1. Won't hire highly suggested OC bc he will be fired and replaced by coordinator (if he makes the right hire and offense takes off, it's better for CEO)
2. Hire washed up coordinator and be fired bc of putrid offense.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:03 pm to SammyTiger
I didn’t say Kendall Briles was a head coach. I said he is actually an option using this criteria.
I used Dooley as an example. No way would he ever be an option and wasn’t implying he would be.
I used Dooley as an example. No way would he ever be an option and wasn’t implying he would be.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:18 pm to bstew3006
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I don't understand the line of thought and not sure where it's coming from. The HC would be fired for making great hires and having success? How often does that happen
The rationale is that the hot shot OC would supplant Orgeron as HC when we're forced to make a choice between the two.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:27 pm to Goldrush25
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The rationale is that the hot shot OC would supplant Orgeron as HC
I'm no big supporter of CEO, but this line of thought is dumb.
If the Hot Shot OC is getting HC offers, means your program and HC are having success. Not sure of any programs that fire the HC bc the OC is being offered a HC job at another program.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:36 pm to bstew3006
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I'm no big supporter of CEO, but this line of thought is dumb.
If the Hot Shot OC is getting HC offers, means your program and HC are having success. Not sure of any programs that fire the HC bc the OC is being offered a HC job at another program.
Line of thought that led to hiring Ensminger was dumb, yet here we are.
I cannot think of a single reason why he wouldn't want to hire the best and brightest for OC if there weren't some issues of insecurity behind it.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:49 pm to bstew3006
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I don't understand the line of thought and not sure where it's coming from. The HC would be fired for making great hires and having success? How often does that happen.
1. Won't hire highly suggested OC bc he will be fired and replaced by coordinator (if he makes the right hire and offense takes off, it's better for CEO)
2. Hire washed up coordinator and be fired bc of putrid offense.
I think it comes from the fact that Ed openly campaigned for the job (for which he probably should have been a fringe candidate, at best) by saying he was going to hire the best OC in the country. He gets the job and, on paper, keeps his word by committing 4.5 million to hire a guy who many felt was a big time OC (only offensive finalist for Broyles award in 2016).
4 games into the relationship O gets pissed, basically tells his OC he doesn't know what he's doing...leading to an embarrassing loss to Troy.
O then goes and hires a new OC who was literally a candidate at NO OTHER SCHOOL. What other explanation for that hire could there be other than O wanted a guy who he was comfortable with REGARDLESS of actual merit?
Right now O's DC is making $2.5 million because another school was willing to pay him $2.0. O's making $3.5 million, but NO ONE besides LSU would even give him close to that amount. If he brings in a OC that sets the world on fire, then eventually LSU is going to have to pay handsomely to retain that guy. Deep down, O knows LSU really doesn't even have to pay him $3.5 million...because there is no market for O outside of LSU. Thus, it's not unreasonable for him to think that if he has a DC in high financial demand, along with an OC in high financial demand, the Bob's might look at him and say "what exactly do you do around here?"
Ensminger was an insecure hire. It sure as hell wasn't merit based, and we've seen the fruits of that hire (SEC stats: 11th ypg; 10th in pypg; 9th in rypg; 10th in scoring; a QB who is second to last in completion % and TD's)
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:10 pm to Alt26
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Right now O's DC is making $2.5 million because another school was willing to pay him $2.0. O's making $3.5 million, but NO ONE besides LSU would even give him close to that amount. If he brings in a OC that sets the world on fire, then eventually LSU is going to have to pay handsomely to retain that guy. Deep down, O knows LSU really doesn't even have to pay him $3.5 million...because there is no market for O outside of LSU. Thus, it's not unreasonable for him to think that if he has a DC in high financial demand, along with an OC in high financial demand, the Bob's might look at him and say "what exactly do you do around here?"
Add to that, he just saw Miles get fired after a 9-3 season.
What's keeping him from suffering the same fate if we lose a couple more times vs Bama and he has a young coach behind him politicking for his job?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:17 pm to Goldrush25
Hell he hasn’t even scored against Bama. It’s like watching the Cajuns play the Tigers. You just know going in that we won’t score.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:33 pm to Alt26
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Right now O's DC is making $2.5 million because another school was willing to pay him $2.0. O's making $3.5 million, but NO ONE besides LSU would even give him close to that amount. If he brings in a OC that sets the world on fire, then eventually LSU is going to have to pay handsomely to retain that guy. Deep down, O knows LSU really doesn't even have to pay him $3.5 million...because there is no market for O outside of LSU. Thus, it's not unreasonable for him to think that if he has a DC in high financial demand, along with an OC in high financial demand, the Bob's might look at him and say "what exactly do you do around here?"
I'll believe this kind of theory if Orgeron refuses to make any changes on offense this year.
If he stands still and lets this dumpster fire offense continue for a second year, this theory has merit.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:43 pm to bstew3006
Les Miles was winning consistently but lost the support because not enough Titles or whatever. Alleva didn’t have to wait until after the season to make the change bc there was a coach already on staff with experience. That’s the line of thought. If Ed starts a season 0–2, he will most likely get the rest of the season to win out and save his job. If Kevin Sumlin was the receivers coach, the AD could pull the trigger mid season.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:52 pm to RuLSU
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I'll believe this kind of theory if Orgeron refuses to make any changes on offense this year.
If he stands still and lets this dumpster fire offense continue for a second year, this theory has merit.
I agree. Publicly, O hasn't criticized SE (not that I would expect him to). O has only attributed the shortcomings of the offense to a lack of talent. Certainly there is probably some merit to that. The OL has struggled and LSU simply doesn't have a game breaking RB. However, I refuse to believe that LSU is so talent deficient that they can only perform better on offense than 4 SEC teams.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 5:05 pm to Soup Sammich
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I’ve realized Ed Orgeron doesn’t hire assistants that have previous Head Coaching experience besides High School.
novel approach. you state "you realize". like you know jack squat about truth
Posted on 11/19/18 at 5:12 pm to LSU GrandDad
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novel approach. you state "you realize". like you know jack squat about truth
Wat?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 6:12 pm to jlovel7
I wonder why he would worry about that.....hmm,?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 6:33 pm to jlovel7
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If it actually came out that Orgeron was sandbagging his own hires because he was fearful of his own job security there would be riots.
Probably not. Which is sad.
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