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re: Which trip would you choose ?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:07 pm to JW
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:07 pm to JW
There have always been a ton of Russians in Thailand during the winter. If you think of Asia as a substitute for North America then Thailand is their Florida and Russia is the Minn, NY, Canada with snowbirds flying down for a long stay to escape the freezing weather
Also a ton of fat, old British dudes sitting in the bar all day blowing their pensions on Chang beer and $30 hookers.
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:14 pm to jkylejohnson
I know I'm not addressing the original question, but you could compare a Japan/Korea trip to Milan/Switzerland, which would be a more fair comparison. Tons, tons, of temples in Japan, with a similar travel time for you to central Europe.
It's about 12 hours to TYO from IAH (assuming you're coming from Louisiana and will route through DEN, SFO, IAH, ORD, MSP, etc.) Thailand is an additional SEVEN hours from TYO.
10 days in Korea/Tokyo are as easy as going to Europe, with the exception that the time change can be more jarring if you don't plan properly.
Once you get outside of Tokyo, the summer won't be a bowl of steaming hell, but you'll probably spend limited time there, and you can hit Osaka, etc. Seju Island (Korea) is a short flight away, and almost everyone from Korea goes there for vacation.
It's about 12 hours to TYO from IAH (assuming you're coming from Louisiana and will route through DEN, SFO, IAH, ORD, MSP, etc.) Thailand is an additional SEVEN hours from TYO.
10 days in Korea/Tokyo are as easy as going to Europe, with the exception that the time change can be more jarring if you don't plan properly.
Once you get outside of Tokyo, the summer won't be a bowl of steaming hell, but you'll probably spend limited time there, and you can hit Osaka, etc. Seju Island (Korea) is a short flight away, and almost everyone from Korea goes there for vacation.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 11:28 pm to geauxpurple
Interlaken. We stayed there many years ago. It’s beyond beautiful.
We stayed at the Victoria Jungfrau Hotel
It’s not cheap but there’s none better and the view of the Alps is spectacular.
We stayed at the Victoria Jungfrau Hotel
It’s not cheap but there’s none better and the view of the Alps is spectacular.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 3:24 am to Suntiger
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It’s seriously like a fairytale land.
Bruges is too.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:21 am to jkylejohnson
As much as I'd like to do #1, I'd still have to go with #2. The scenery of Switzerland is hard to match.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 2:15 pm to AUFANATL
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There have always been a ton of Russians in Thailand during the winter.
It's at a whole different level now, with a different kind of Russian visitor.
Here's a new NY Post article:
Tourists ruining ‘last paradise on Earth’ with public sex, illegal tattoo pop-ups
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Balinese residents agree with their officials and have taken to calling out tourists for their illegal or dishonorable behavior on social media accounts, including the popular Instagram platform @moscow_cabang_bali.
The account has 32,500 followers who can submit information about foreigners who appear to be breaking the law or causing an unwanted scene.
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Relations between Balinese natives have become the most strained with Russian tourists since their country invaded Ukraine.
Since then, nearly 60,000 Russians arrived in Bali last year and roughly 20,000 have been arriving each month since September, Aljazeera reported.
The Balinese government has proposed new regulations and plans to crack down on tourists’ inappropriate behavior. AFP via Getty Images
Posted on 3/18/23 at 5:53 pm to jkylejohnson
I have been to both regions and both are great in their own way. However, September is the middle of rainy season in Thailand. The weather in Bangkok and Phuket areas during this time is very hot and very wet. Yes, you can still go during those times, but you need to understand what the weather will be like. If your timeframe is definitely in September, that would make the choice easy for me - I would do Europe and plan a Thailand trip for the December-March timeframe if possible.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 5:54 pm to Jack_Handy
I’m going in June
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:12 am to jkylejohnson
Both trips are great. I’ve done both. I would suggest doing the Venice/Milan option now just because the euro is weak now and that’s usually an expensive trip. Your money will go so much farther than 5 years ago and the euro will come back in strength.
Thailand is great. Did Bangkok, Chang Mai, and Phuket. Highly recommend a private tour guide and van. However, Thailand is always cheap and will be cheap in the future. We did a short flight to Singapore from Thailand too. Singapore is much more expensive but has some of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. Highly recommend.
Thailand is great. Did Bangkok, Chang Mai, and Phuket. Highly recommend a private tour guide and van. However, Thailand is always cheap and will be cheap in the future. We did a short flight to Singapore from Thailand too. Singapore is much more expensive but has some of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. Highly recommend.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:12 am to Drizzt
Thanks for feedback. I think we will wait on a SE Asia trip when we have at least two weeks to spend. Thailand looks like such an awesome trip.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:06 pm to jkylejohnson
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I’m going in June
Sorry - I misread. June is shoulder season so not full on rainy season, but not dry season either. Ideal weather for most of Thailand is December thru March, but those are also the busiest times for that reason. We spent 10 days on the ground in Thailand (not counting travel days) and that was enough time for us to see Bangkok, Chiang Mai, and Krabi without feeling rushed.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:24 pm to jkylejohnson
Been to both and loved both. Time constraints say go to Italy. The flight to Thailand is brutal. Loved Venice.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 11:02 am to 257WBY
Appreciate the replies. I think we’re def settled on Italy /Switzerland with bulk of time being Switzerland. Would prob opt to stay in Interlaken , Grindewald , or Lauterbrunnen for our base. Interlaken def the most central in seems but Lauterbrunnen looks like the quintessential Swiss village that would be awesome to stay in. Maybe a nice Airbnb n the village with a view of the mountains and that big waterfall.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:21 pm to jkylejohnson
Can’t go wrong with that.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 3:05 am to jkylejohnson
The Alps are spectacular. We went to the French side some time back and really enjoyed it. We stayed at a friends place in the mountains and hiked near there one day.. The hiking was on easy well maintained trails, more of a walk. We were less than an hour from Geneva so we drove and spent an afternoon there as well.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:33 am to jkylejohnson
I’ve been to both. My wife and I are going back to Switzerland in July. Flying into Zurich from Munich and taking the train down to Lucerne for 3 days.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 3:05 pm to deltafarmer
Awesome. I’ve watched so many YouTube videos and read so many posts on here about how great it is so I’ll def look forward to it. On a multi city flight starting in Italy would I be wise to look at flights home from bern or Zurich. ? Will prob be staying in Lauterbrunnen. Would one be significantly cheaper than the other ?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 4:59 pm to jkylejohnson
Have not been to Thailand, but can't imagine it being even close to your other choice...
Re Italy / Switzerland:
Easy to do Venice, Milan and Switzerland. Train system is good.
Do Internet search for Gotthard Panorama Express (formerly William Tell). You can stay in Milan (get a room close to train station) and take real early train to catch the starting point for Gotthard Panorama Express (not far north of Milan). Do not try to bypass the boat ride across Lake Lucernce as you will miss one of the best parts. Spend night or two in Lucerne. In the past, you could purchase train tix via North American company instead of one of the EU ones.
In Venice, the Hilton is a very good property... not historic, but large rooms including suites... largest I saw in France/ Swiss/ Italy. Breakfast is awesome. The only issue is you have to take ferry over to "main" island (about ten minutes)... don't miss the last one. :)
Lake Lucerne will blow you away. Make sure you take a very good camera. You can thank me later (by sending pics).
... with 10 to 11 days, you could actually add another city. Rome did not blow me away, but has the Vatican & Colosseum (get front pocket wallet and don't get ride just outside - walk a block away). There are other options north of Rome. Prob more than you want to do, but aside from Venice / Lake Lucerne, I put the D-Day beaches as high on the list of places to see in Europe. But, because of the train system (and cheap short flights), not hard to do.
Re Italy / Switzerland:
Easy to do Venice, Milan and Switzerland. Train system is good.
Do Internet search for Gotthard Panorama Express (formerly William Tell). You can stay in Milan (get a room close to train station) and take real early train to catch the starting point for Gotthard Panorama Express (not far north of Milan). Do not try to bypass the boat ride across Lake Lucernce as you will miss one of the best parts. Spend night or two in Lucerne. In the past, you could purchase train tix via North American company instead of one of the EU ones.
In Venice, the Hilton is a very good property... not historic, but large rooms including suites... largest I saw in France/ Swiss/ Italy. Breakfast is awesome. The only issue is you have to take ferry over to "main" island (about ten minutes)... don't miss the last one. :)
Lake Lucerne will blow you away. Make sure you take a very good camera. You can thank me later (by sending pics).
... with 10 to 11 days, you could actually add another city. Rome did not blow me away, but has the Vatican & Colosseum (get front pocket wallet and don't get ride just outside - walk a block away). There are other options north of Rome. Prob more than you want to do, but aside from Venice / Lake Lucerne, I put the D-Day beaches as high on the list of places to see in Europe. But, because of the train system (and cheap short flights), not hard to do.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 6:29 pm to jkylejohnson
I have flown from Zurich to the U.S. before but not from Bern so I can’t answer your question. Also it was a business trip booked by the company so I don’t know about cost of ticket. Flying round trip between Munich and Zurich is $180r/t on Swiss Air if that helps at all. Our 11 day trip is mainly going to be in Germany because my wife’s company is sending us there for a week. We are going a few days early. Munich is cheaper to travel to than Zurich from the U.S. We like to buy up to business class on overseas flights so the cost of doing that is much cheaper to Munich than Zurich
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:31 am to jkylejohnson
easily Trip #2 that first trip has a travel time of at least 5 days total. Let along the jet lag when you arrive. Going to need at least two weeks for that one. Enjoy #1 and the train system in Europe is amazing so you can venture to several countries in minimal time.
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