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I’m a dummy when it comes to airline miles, please help

Posted on 5/30/19 at 12:35 pm
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 12:35 pm
I’m planning a trip to Greece in 3+ years. After flying to Italy via coach, I learned not to fly to Europe again in coach.

If I get an AAdvantage card and spend $3000 within the first three months, I get 60,000 miles. The interest rate is 18-22%. Plus $95 annual fee, 1st year waived.

How many miles would I need to get two tickets to Greece in business class? I’ve looked them up, they are about $3500 each, this year.

What are some great miles cards? From the quick search I did, AA was the best, and Delta was #2.

I have a Capital One card now, but it’s not a Venture card. Is the venture card worth a damn?
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 12:53 pm to
You should be able to search airline tickets using miles versus cost. I know the United Airlines website offers this, I suspect others do too. That should give you an idea how many points you need
Posted by BlackenedOut
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 1:20 pm to
I am heading to Greece in a few weeks. To fly four of us over there in business class was 70,000 miles a piece, one way. We are flying Austrian Air thru Vienna. Of course in 3 years would be almost impossible to guess what the redemption could be. However your best bet is to start stacking and holding Chase rewards (head to Money Board topic on Credit Card Miles).

United keeps the fees relatively low and allows you to book on lots of partner airlines (which often have better biz class experiences).
Posted by MikeBRLA
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 1:28 pm to
I’m an AAdvantage member and just looked up how many miles this will cost you, but before that a little explanation.

There are two types of ways to spend your miles. Using the SAAVER program which means that each flight has X amount of points seats on it on a first come first served basis. This is what the points/miles program is designed around. Using SAAVER miles you will be extremely limited on days and times available to you. But if you plan ahead it shouldn’t be an issue on a big trip like this.


Or you can use your miles with the AANYTIME program which basically means there are no SAAVER seats available, but if you really want to use your miles AA will let you use them on that particular seat but it will cost you a lot more miles.

From MSY to Athens it will cost you 57.5K each way for a total of 115K miles on the SAAVER program

From MSY to Athens it will cost you between 135K and 180K each way on the AANYTIME program. Split the difference and it will be 315K.


Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 1:38 pm to
Consider Premium Economy too. We flew it to Europe a few years ago and it was very comfortable. The seats weren't lie flat but they went back a lot further than economy and were wider.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

From MSY to Athens it will cost you 57.5K each way for a total of 115K miles on the SAAVER program From MSY to Athens it will cost you between 135K and 180K each way on the AANYTIME program. Split the difference and it will be 315K.


So, anywhere between 270k to 360k miles for two tickets. I’ll use the highest for the total:

360k miles total
Minus 60k sign up
300k miles

That’s 100k a year
That’s 8350 miles a month
At 1.5 miles per dollar spent
That’s $5500 a month spending
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 1:56 pm to
Yes. And you aren't assuming point devaluation over that 3 year time period. Which is likely to occur.
Posted by hungryone
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:06 pm to
Didn't you collect any miles on your last Euro trip? You're sitting on some already....leverage those miles with either a Chase UR accruing card or card tied to that airline. I'm a Chase partisan, mainly because of the wide array of airline partners. I'm not locked into any one carrier/partners.
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Consider Premium Economy too.


I agree for Europe. Any economy seat for a longer trip is torture, if you're like me and can't sleep sitting up.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

So, anywhere between 270k to 360k miles for two tickets. I’ll use the highest for the total:


I don’t know where you got those numbers from. All of my numbers are per person, round trip

SAAVER for two is 230K


AANYTIME for two is between 540k and 720k.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:26 pm to
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At 1.5 miles per dollar spent


Where are you getting this?
Posted by speckledawg
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Consider Premium Economy too.


This. I'm always amazed at how bad some of yall make a 6-9hr flight seem. "I will absolutely DIE in economy!!"
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

This. I'm always amazed at how bad some of yall make a 6-9hr flight seem. "I will absolutely DIE in economy!!"

Agree--I'm fine in economy, and don't see much added value in e+ on most airlines. I'd rather spend the ~$125/pp difference in fare on extending my vacation by another day or two.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:54 pm to
I know my 8 hour flight from JFK to Rome was miserable. Luckily, I was with my 14 yo daughter, so I wasn’t as crammed if it was an adult. Plus, the person next to me on other side was a young Asian girl, pretty tiny.
Posted by dirtsandwich
AL
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

I’m planning a trip to Greece in 3+ years.

Anyone want to put an over/under on the number of threads for this trip?

Kidding (sort of). Safe travels (in 2022).
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
26574 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 5:29 pm to
Well Italy required 28. So let’s set the O/U there. I’ll take the over.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:14 pm to
I’m going to try to help you but keep the trip to one thread.

Look at partner airlines. Look at what points (Chase or Amex) convert to what airlines. Look to fly in off-peak times. Not surprisingly, off-peak costs much less in miles or points.

Example. I flew off-peak from Madrid to JFK in business class on Iberia for the equivalent of 18000 Amex points per person. Lay down seat, pod, everything.

Do your research.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:14 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:21 pm to
Here are a few good places to get started, if you really want to learn.

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Posted by Nole Man
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/31/19 at 1:36 pm to
Unless you want to be a playa I would say just do premium economy. We've done three trips in the last two years over there and it's fine. The seats are wider. Pre-boarding. Dedicated overhead space.The food is little bit better. I'd rather save the money and use it on something else but I certainly understand the issues of coach on an up to 13 hour flight! My wife will no longer fly coach to Europe. So there you go!
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39582 posts
Posted on 5/31/19 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

This. I'm always amazed at how bad some of yall make a 6-9hr flight seem. "I will absolutely DIE in economy!!"


Points have let me taste the forbidden fruit so now for flights of 6 hours or more I'm looking for business class. I'm ruined.
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