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re: FYI if you are traveling to NYC.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:58 am to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:58 am to genuineLSUtiger
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I can’t imagine living in that congested cesspoo
Well, they just love the smell of piss and shite in the morning.
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:08 am to GumboPot
Yeah I went up there last year for Army/Navy game it cost $40 in tolls to drive from Philadelphia to LaGuardia Airport.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:34 am to GumboPot
I'm pretty conservative, including on taxation matters, but in a vacuum I can't say I object to costs imposed for the impacts of high congestion/traffic in a small area, especially when some it will impact have other, reliable options.
Paying to remedy the massive wear and tear/resources/etc. that the situation in midtown imposes is the type of taxation/fee system that makes complete sense to me.
Now where it breaks down is probably the scores of other areas with similar issues that the city won't act on, the misuse of other resources, the freeloaders who won't have skin in the game, etc.
Paying to remedy the massive wear and tear/resources/etc. that the situation in midtown imposes is the type of taxation/fee system that makes complete sense to me.
Now where it breaks down is probably the scores of other areas with similar issues that the city won't act on, the misuse of other resources, the freeloaders who won't have skin in the game, etc.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:46 am to GumboPot
Coming home from dinner
We were at a subway platform waiting for our train when a methhead stood 10’ from us and took a piss.
I Love NY…..
We were at a subway platform waiting for our train when a methhead stood 10’ from us and took a piss.
I Love NY…..
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
Its like a contest between New York and Kalifornia to see who can be the most Commie.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:58 am to Harry Caray
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There are too many public transit options in NYC to justify driving in such a crowded city. Hilarious melt from this soft arse board.
Spoken like a true progressive..."I don't like this thing, so it's not enough for me to not have/use it, no one should be able to".
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:00 am to Pettifogger
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I'm pretty conservative, including on taxation matters, but in a vacuum I can't say I object to costs imposed for the impacts of high congestion/traffic in a small area, especially when some it will impact have other, reliable options.
Paying to remedy the massive wear and tear/resources/etc. that the situation in midtown imposes is the type of taxation/fee system that makes complete sense to me.
So if the goal here is to save the environment and incentivize mass transit, why are they also raising the MTA fares?
Why not estimate the revenue that will be generated by this and then REDUCE MTA fares an equal amount to incent more people to use it?
Answer: Because it's not about the environment, it's about taking more money from the citizens, and of course punishing the middle and lower class.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 9:05 am
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:45 am to Chucktown_Badger
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So if the goal here is to save the environment and incentivize mass transit, why are they also raising the MTA fares?
Is that the overarching goal? There’s nothing in the OP about that.
I take it as midtown manhattan is a nightmare to live and work in because it’s near constant gridlock all the fricking time and this measure is meant to disincentivize people from using a car to get around that particular area.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:52 am to Harry Caray
quote:I kind of hope that most read this thread and finally realize that perhaps they're just old, out of touch, crotchety old men with nothing to complain about other than something that will never affect them only because politics told them to hate it.
ITT: A whole lot of posters acting pissed off about something that will literally never affect them
There are too many public transit options in NYC to justify driving in such a crowded city. Hilarious melt from this soft arse board.
I doubt it though
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:07 am to Boudreauboudreaugoly
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Boudreauboudreaugoly
Awesome username
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:09 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:who said anything about the environment
So if the goal here is to save the environment
quote:probably has more to do with the massive budget cuts caused by the immigrant crisis than eric adams sitting around thinking about how he can take money away from puerto ricans
Answer: Because it's not about the environment, it's about taking more money from the citizens, and of course punishing the middle and lower class.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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probably has more to do with the massive budget cuts caused by the immigrant crisis than eric adams sitting around thinking about how he can take money away from puerto ricans
The congestion pricing proposal dates back about a decade, well before Adams (and De Blasio) became mayor.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:35 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Spoken like a true progressive..."I don't like this thing, so it's not enough for me to not have/use it, no one should be able to".
Except no one is being barred from driving in Manhattan.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:37 am to Wally Sparks
quote:Right, I was referring to the public transit price increase
The congestion pricing proposal dates back about a decade, well before Adams (and De Blasio) became mayor.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:37 am to Mo Jeaux
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I believe that there are a couple of restaurants and stores in that area of Manhattan that may use delivery trucks though.
Correct, however a good amount of car and truck traffic cuts through Manhattan westbound in order to avoid tolls since the Holland and Lincoln tunnels collect tolls only in one direction (eastbound). That's not sustainable and screws up traffic.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:42 am to Tarps99
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Are those in addition to the ridiculous tolls for the tunnels and bridges just drive onto Manhattan Island?
Most of the East River crossings are free (sans the Battery and Midtown tunnels and the Triborough Bridge)
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:44 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Right, I was referring to the public transit price increase
That's on the MTA, not Adams.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:53 am to Wally Sparks
in that case, i don't think the mta was sitting around plotting how to take PR and dominicans' money lol
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Is that the overarching goal? There’s nothing in the OP about that.
I take it as midtown manhattan is a nightmare to live and work in because it’s near constant gridlock all the fricking time and this measure is meant to disincentivize people from using a car to get around that particular area.
So then it's intended to clear up manhattan so that rich people can drive places more quickly?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:07 pm to Wally Sparks
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Except no one is being barred from driving in Manhattan.
That was in response to the post I replied to suggesting that people shouldn't have cars because there's so many public transit options. If you love public transit, have at it. If you want to drive around Manhattan, go for it. At least that's my position.
I'm sure this is exactly what it's about, it just won't be said out loud.
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probably has more to do with the massive budget cuts caused by the immigrant crisis than eric adams sitting around thinking about how he can take money away from puerto ricans
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 12:08 pm
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