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New Electric Ford F-150 could power your home for 3 days
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:53 am
Article covers the pros and cons of the new Ford truck, all copied here:
20,000 reservations in 12 hours
20,000 reservations in 12 hours
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(NEWSER) – Ford unveiled its electric version of the popular F-150 pickup on Wednesday, and even outlets that don't typically pay much attention to such things have taken notice. The F-150 has long been the bestselling vehicle in America, and the 2022 Lightning is designed to appeal to "everyday truck owners—making it a potential turning point in the electric vehicle revolution," writes Joann Muller at Axios. Coverage:
Price: The base model goes on sale next spring for $39,974, but with a federal tax credit, most would pay about $32,500. "Thirty-two grand after subsidies—an astonishing price," writes Robinson Meyer at the Atlantic. Consider that the average new car price in the US eclipsed the $40,000 mark earlier this year.
Big deal: Given the F-150's popularity, "this may be one of the important products in decarbonization," writes energy industry vet Tim Latimer. "Electrification here is a big deal." At the Detroit Free Press, Mark Phelan likens what Ford is trying to do here with EVs to the "transportation revolution" set off by the Model T more than a century ago. Like the Model T, the new truck is pitched as a vehicle for the masses.
The line starts: Ford says it took 20,000 reservations for the Lightning in the first 12 hours people could make them, per CNBC. The reservations require a refundable $100 deposit, here.
House power: Ford says the Lightning will have the same power to haul and tow as the gas-powered version, though it may take time to convince truck owners of that. But the Lightning has additional perks that come with an EV—owners could draw power from it at a worksite for lights or tools, and Ford says it would have enough juice to power a house during a blackout for roughly three days. As NPR notes, that latter point will likely hit home for Texas residents after that state's recent blackout. Ford is pitching it as a "generator on wheels," per Axios.
A drawback: The big caveat with EVs, of course, is keeping them charged. "The truth is, unless Ford invests in building out its own dedicated network, there's only so much the company can do between now and when the Lightning hits the road to make the public charging experience better," writes Sean O'Kane at the Verge. Those who get the extended-range battery will get an 80-amp home charging station that could fully charge the Lightning in eight hours, he adds.
Range: The Lightning will get either 230 or 300 miles on a charge, depending on battery choice, and a ballpark estimate is that it would take 10 minutes on a fast charger to add 54 miles of range. "Those are not eye-popping figures—other automakers are making more ambitious promises for their battery-powered pickups," writes Camila Domonoske at NPR.
The frunk: Ford didn't invent the word "frunk," but the Lightning is getting a lot of attention for the spacious area at the front of the truck where the engine would normally be. It's got about 14 cubic feet, or enough for, say, two golf bags, plus four power outlets and two USB chargers. MotorTrend looks in particular at the frunk feature.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 11:48 am to skrayper
Really been curious to see the reaction to this both here and in the overall market. They hit the same entry level price as the Tesla CyberTruck but have the advantage of many $7500 EV credits to still pass out where Tesla is long done with that. Plus of course the traditional styling vs the radical CT look. Functionally the CT does have a few advantages like higher available hauling/towing versions, the covered bed and Tesla charging network. Range for entry level is a wash to me 230 vs 250 but Tesla is known for range numbers that are not quite real world.
Long term maintenance cost should be a good bit lower for either vs ICE F-150. How many people care much about long range & quick charging for serious road trips in a pickup? I have no idea.
Long term maintenance cost should be a good bit lower for either vs ICE F-150. How many people care much about long range & quick charging for serious road trips in a pickup? I have no idea.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:43 pm to pheroy
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Long term maintenance cost should be a good bit lower for either vs ICE F-150. How many people care much about long range & quick charging for serious road trips in a pickup? I have no idea.
I was wondering the same thing.
We have numerous charging areas around where I live, so I've been tempted to look into an electric; however, I work on a mountain resort with lots of wildlife. Being a wildlife lover and not really wanting a deer to destroy my vehicle, I've decided against anything that runs quiet. I know at least one person that had many deer run right in front of their car because they had a very quiet hybrid.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:53 pm to skrayper
This is the Tech Board, not the OT. Why are people downvoting a post on the F-150 EV?
That's what this board is for.
That's what this board is for.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:16 pm to skrayper
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Being a wildlife lover and not really wanting a deer to destroy my vehicle, I've decided against anything that runs quiet. I know at least one person that had many deer run right in front of their car because they had a very quiet hybrid.
New EVs and hybrids are going to be required, at some point, to make an artificial noise below 18.6 MPH. It has been pushed back a bit but probably will be in effect by late this year.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:20 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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This is the Tech Board, not the OT. Why are people downvoting a post on the F-150 EV?
That's what this board is for.
I briefly wondered that too. I wasn't sure if it was for irrational EV hatred or irrational Ford hatred.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:39 pm to pheroy
quote:I thought the max range for the F-150 is going to be 300 vs the CT of 500?
Range for entry level is a wash to me 230 vs 250 but Tesla is known for range numbers that are not quite real world.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 3:15 pm to BruslyTiger
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I thought the max range for the F-150 is going to be 300 vs the CT of 500?
I was referring to the entry price being similar so it's an obvious point of comparison to look at the range spec.
Yes, the CT goes up to a much higher level of range & power, but at a much higher price, nearly double the base. So there's a broader range of options for CT with range spec of 250 / 300 / 500. The F-150 looks like it is more or less hitting price / range parity at the levels it offers, Tesla just has a $20k extra high end level.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:13 pm to pheroy
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the traditional styling vs the radical CT look.
F150s have never been my thing, but I'd always take something that looks like a regular vehicle over the Back to the Future II Tesla. The wheels are a little funky on the F150, but those can easily be changed, so whatever.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 10:06 am to BottomlandBrew
I put in a deposit. Was thinking about getting a truck to haul dirt bikes in. Not entirely sold on this, yet, want to do more research, but the deposit is refundable, so no harm in getting in line.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:07 am to skrayper
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We have numerous charging areas around where I live, so I've been tempted to look into an electric
For me the concern is not how many charging stations are around where I live, because I'd be charging at home. You'd have a ~300 mile range after charging at home. I'd be more concerned about how many charging stations are where I don't live but want to go.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:34 am to skrayper
But would you still be able to drive it anywhere? Pretty cool though
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:36 am to skrayper
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Those who get the extended-range battery will get an 80-amp home charging station that could fully charge the Lightning in eight hours, he adds.
How many houses have an extra 80 amps available on the breaker panel?
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it would take 10 minutes on a fast charger to add 54 miles of range
I can get 370 miles of range at a gas station in 3 mins.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:56 am to footballdude
quote:I'm no electrician, but I don't believe it works like that. As long as there is physical space in your panel, you can add circuits that total any amount as long as none of the individual breakers exceed the capacity of any upstream breakers. Shouldn't be a problem for a typical home with 200 amp service, especially considering most charging happens at night.
How many houses have an extra 80 amps available on the breaker panel?
quote:Yeah, everyone knows the current downsides of EVs. This thread is about one of the positives, namely that it can serve as primary or secondary energy storage for your home.
I can get 370 miles of range at a gas station in 3 mins.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:26 am to footballdude
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How many houses have an extra 80 amps available on the breaker panel?
Just about all of them with a quick call to an electrician or a bit of DIY skills.
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I can get 370 miles of range at a gas station in 3 mins.
Yep. Cross country travel isn't the appeal even a little bit. The family's only car isn't their target market, either. I said this in the other thread on the OT, but a commuter car that:
1) never stops on the way home
2) never makes me go out of my way to change the oil
3) costs comparable to a similarly-trimmed gas-powered vehicle
is extremely appealing to me.
I will probably not jump on board until a few years down the road or a gen2 product, but I can see the appeal in my scenario. I would still have a "family" car that my wife would drive (small/med SUV that's gas with 300+ mile range). I would very much miss my gas f150 (700 miles a tank more often than not. And lately, it has actually become the "family" car because it's so much more comfortable than a Honda CRV for long trips)
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:24 am to skrayper
That’s an expensive generator….
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:25 am to Hopeful Doc
Uhhhh no one should be DIY anything in your home electrical panel without a electrician lol. That’s a fire waiting to happen.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:46 am to JayDeerTay84
quote:I really don't get how people come away with these silly takes. I mean you realize it's a vehicle, right? And that several days worth of home backup power is a bonus feature?
That’s an expensive generator….
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