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re: New Electric Ford F-150 could power your home for 3 days
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:05 pm to skrayper
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:05 pm to skrayper
In Australia, the Tesla service department sends gas powered Mitsubishis to broken down Tesla because they can't take chances being out of range.
Also a lot of folks like to use trucks as work trucks to haul and tow stuff. If you want to tow a 10000 lb payload the range drops to like 100K miles and range is worse for the longer range 300 mile model because of the heavier batteries.
Imagine the lines at recharging stations.
Also a lot of folks like to use trucks as work trucks to haul and tow stuff. If you want to tow a 10000 lb payload the range drops to like 100K miles and range is worse for the longer range 300 mile model because of the heavier batteries.
Imagine the lines at recharging stations.
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:19 pm to Korkstand
Silly take, have you read the freaking thread title?
Come on man!
Come on man!
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:24 pm to 98eagle
quote:Yeah, choose the right tool for the job. Simple.
In Australia, the Tesla service department sends gas powered Mitsubishis to broken down Tesla because they can't take chances being out of range.
quote:Towing cuts the range of ICE vehicles about the same amount as it does EVs, not really a surprise. And no, neither the total range nor the drop in range will be worse for the larger capacity batteries. The increased weight is more than compensated by the fact that each battery cell isn't working as hard to do the same work.
Also a lot of folks like to use trucks as work trucks to haul and tow stuff. If you want to tow a 10000 lb payload the range drops to like 100K miles and range is worse for the longer range 300 mile model because of the heavier batteries.
quote:I seriously doubt this will ever be a thing, as every single building is a "charging station". The vast majority of charging will occur at night at home. People who take long trips, towing loads or not, should choose an ICE truck for the foreseeable future, probably until supercapacitors become a more viable option than lithium batteries.
Imagine the lines at recharging stations.
Where do you guys get these ridiculous talking points?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:27 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:Yeah, have you?
Silly take, have you read the freaking thread title?
Calling a vehicle that could also power your home an "expensive generator" is like calling your cell phone an expensive calculator.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:54 pm to Korkstand
And to really drive home how silly your take is, for those with time of use energy rates, the truck could save you money every single day by charging during off-peak and powering your house during peak times (usually right when you get home). And during the times that power is actually out, you get to use that energy at the same rate (minus a bit of conversion loss) that you bought it.
By contrast, whenever I have to use my "cheap" natural gas generator, it costs me $50+ per day to operate. It also has extra maintenance costs.
And if I need power on a job site, I don't have to waste time fricking around with gas and all the maintenance involved with a small generator. And similar to a whole-home generator the power used from the truck would cost much less than the same power from a gas generator.
All told, it might be the least expensive "generator" you ever buy. Because it's a truck.
By contrast, whenever I have to use my "cheap" natural gas generator, it costs me $50+ per day to operate. It also has extra maintenance costs.
And if I need power on a job site, I don't have to waste time fricking around with gas and all the maintenance involved with a small generator. And similar to a whole-home generator the power used from the truck would cost much less than the same power from a gas generator.
All told, it might be the least expensive "generator" you ever buy. Because it's a truck.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 12:55 pm to Korkstand
Both are true.
I am not sure why you have a problem with me saying it’s an expensive generator if that is a marketing tactic…..
I am not sure why you have a problem with me saying it’s an expensive generator if that is a marketing tactic…..
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:14 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:Because like I said, it's silly. If they advertise usb ports, is it an expensive phone charger?
I am not sure why you have a problem with me saying it’s an expensive generator if that is a marketing tactic…..
If they advertise that the tailgate has fold out steps, is it an expensive step stool? Nah, it's a truck with a feature that some might find handy.
They say you can fit two sets of golf clubs in the frunk. Is it an expensive golf cart?
You can carry groceries around in it. Is it an expensive shopping cart?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:31 pm to Korkstand
They specifically mention powering your home. This is not and would never be a buy decision for a 50k+ vehicle.
If you bought a truck for that alone or as your deciding factor, it’s an expensive generator.
You EV guys are an interesting bunch.
Why are you salty about my comment?
If you bought a truck for that alone or as your deciding factor, it’s an expensive generator.
You EV guys are an interesting bunch.
Why are you salty about my comment?
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:08 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:It's one feature, among the multitude of others that comprise a modern vehicle. I've seen ads talking about 14 cup holders.
They specifically mention powering your home. This is not and would never be a buy decision for a 50k+ vehicle.
quote:That's how you're treating this, and that's why it's silly.
If you bought a truck for that alone
quote:This could easily be a deciding factor for a whole lot of people, and it's absurd to look at it as anything other than a very useful additional feature.
or as your deciding factor
quote:At this point I'm curious to see how hard you're going to push this silliness.
Why are you salty about my comment?
Why are you salty about my comments?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:11 pm to 98eagle
quote:My go-to source for rational discussion.
Here's another current thread on Tiger Droppings on the Political Talk forum
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:22 pm to Korkstand
No. I am treating it like the thread title.
Why is this so complicated for you?
You do realize you replied to me 1st because YOU didn't like my comment right?]
I didnt seek you out baw.
Why is this so complicated for you?
quote:
Why are you salty about my comments?
You do realize you replied to me 1st because YOU didn't like my comment right?]
I didnt seek you out baw.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 2:44 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:You are treating it as if powering your home is its only purpose.
No. I am treating it like the thread title.
quote:Complicated for me? I'm not the one making comments like man my truck sure is an expensive AC unit, as if it's somehow a negative that it can cool me off in addition to getting me from A to B.
Why is this so complicated for you?
quote:I replied to your comment for entertainment purposes. You are giving me way more of that than anticipated.
You do realize you replied to me 1st because YOU didn't like my comment right?]
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:03 am to Korkstand
Do you really think that battery will power a home for 3 days? A single powerwall won't power an average house for a day.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:35 am to CarRamrod
quote:Yeah, a powerwall only has about 14kwh capacity. I think the Model S has a 100kwh pack and this Ford truck will probably have around 200kwh. It'll be more than 10 powerwalls for sure.
Do you really think that battery will power a home for 3 days? A single powerwall won't power an average house for a day.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:41 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
quote:
This is the Tech Board, not the OT. Why are people downvoting a post on the F-150 EV?
Because it's an NPR article that sounds more like an advertisement than actual reporting.
E.G. no mention of towing capacity limitations and impact on range when towing.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:18 am to skrayper
quote:
Ford says it would have enough juice to power a house during a blackout for roughly three days. As NPR notes, that latter point will likely hit home for Texas residents after that state's recent blackout. Ford is pitching it as a "generator on wheels," per Axios.
Its a nice perk but I would not consider it a replacement for a gas generator. I'd always want a gas back up in case the outage lasted longer than 3 days. Same with transportation. I would not want to only have an electric vehicle.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:46 am to Korkstand
I do know that i used 1kwh on my last brew.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:06 am to seawolf06
quote:
E.G. no mention of towing capacity limitations and impact on range when towing.
Jalopnik article from a few days ago. Ford won't disclose the range. That is always a good sign.
IMO, EVs are floating on a layer of optimism right now. Real world practicality isn't as great as portrayed.
From the article which is from Ford's own material:
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:18 am to wheelr
quote:
IMO, EVs are floating on a layer of optimism right now. Real world practicality isn't as great as portrayed.
Jesus, that picture sounds miserable and optimistic at the same time. Too much to worry about when a gas truck can go 600 miles and a hybrid will do 700 miles and can help power your house if necessary(since that's the point of this thread)
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