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Honest question. Why would I want need a vpn?

Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:05 am
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
4930 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:05 am
Read a lot about them but do not have one. What is the reason for doing so? Privacy?
Ability to do what once you have it?
Are the free ones just as good?
Does it mess up things like all my subscriptions to streaming services?
Posted by wheelr
Member since Jul 2012
5147 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:09 am to
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This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 4:57 pm
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
4930 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:15 pm to
Thank you
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
3569 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:34 pm to
I use iCloud private relay, much cheaper than vpn and it hides all your http traffic. I don't really do anything in apps that need privacy.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6486 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:11 pm to
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I don't really do anything in apps that need privacy.


People like you are why I'll always have a job in infosec.

Why you should care about your privacy

quote:

Why should I care?¶
“I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT MY PRIVACY?”¶
Much like the right to interracial marriage, woman's suffrage, freedom of speech, and many others, our right to privacy hasn't always been upheld. In several dictatorships, it still isn't. Generations before ours fought for our right to privacy. Privacy is a human right, inherent to all of us, that we are entitled to (without discrimination).

You shouldn't confuse privacy with secrecy. We know what happens in the bathroom, but you still close the door. That's because you want privacy, not secrecy. Everyone has something to protect. Privacy is something that makes you human.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
3569 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:27 am to
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People like you are why I'll always have a job in infosec.


You survived the twitter layoffs?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17049 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:06 am to
Three reasons you might need a VPN

1) Getting around geography restrictions that some sites impose. It's rare but you'll come across it here and there. I remember one YouTube channel I came across a while back didn't allow American IP addresses. I thought it was strange but that's the message I got.

2) Keeping your ISP from seeing which sites you visit.

3) Keeping the website itself from knowing your IP.

I have no need for any of these, so I don't use VPNs. I am pro privacy but I also am logical about it. I don't care if my ISP knows I visit TD and I don't care if my bank knows my IP. When I do web searches I use DDG who doesn't log anything (or so they claim). Even if they do, I don't care really.

Where I care about privacy is when I communicate with friends or family. In those cases, I use encrypted messaging which is pretty much the norm today for most messaging apps. Of course, you have to trust your app really does what it says which is beyond the scope here.
Posted by LSUgEEkish
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
94 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:29 pm to
They are more important to use for privacy when you are on public Wi-Fi. It makes me feel better just in case one of my apps isn't as well written as it should be. Free ones sell your data and are a bit slimier that the paid ones. They are making money off of you somehow.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43301 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 6:33 pm to
Most people don't really gain much from a VPN, unless you need to get around some obstacle that is blocking you by IP.

However, they are important in open wifi at coffee shops and the like.
Never trust open wifi.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 6:38 pm
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17049 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:24 pm to
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However, they are important in open wifi at coffee shops and the like.
Never trust open wifi.


True, but most every website nowadays is encrypted anyway, so even if Wifi spies on you, it would do them no good.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:22 pm to
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True, but most every website nowadays is encrypted anyway, so even if Wifi spies on you, it would do them no good.




That and you're trusting the VPN with all your data too. Best solution is to run your own VPN of course, but not easy for most people.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 9:33 pm to
VPN does almost nothing for security. Your connection to websites are already encrypted end-to-end. You'll get a stern warning/alert if they do a man in the middle attack.

For privacy.. it does help some but the big players still know who you are because their identification/tracking process is a lot more complex than just IPs.

VPN is great for getting around restrictions and laws.

Based on the Twitter files, I wouldn't be shocked if these VPN companies are shell companies for nefarious purposes - be it the CIA, a foreign intelligence service, or just dystopian assholes in general. One of the owners of NordVPN is also the owner of a data harvesting company.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17049 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:10 am to
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Based on the Twitter files, I wouldn't be shocked if these VPN companies are shell companies for nefarious purposes - be it the CIA, a foreign intelligence service, or just dystopian assholes in general.


The Snowden documents discussed this. NSA was cracking VPN's on their own and didn't need much help. They also were cracking SSL and SSH as well (on a mass scale). This was 10 years ago, so I am sure they have only improved their attacks since then.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 7:19 pm to
You only need it to skirt around laws and rules.

google still knows who you are, and VPN gives unknown people access to your data by consenting to give them a "man in the middle" attack on your computer that can technically decrypt all private traffic that would normally be encrypted had you not had a VPN.

In short, if you need to watch pr0n in Louisiana or do something illegal then you need a VPN or TOR. If you are just interested in security then it basically does nothing.

Privacy? maybe, maybe not.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:57 pm to
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Based on the Twitter files, I wouldn't be shocked if these VPN companies are shell companies for nefarious purposes - be it the CIA, a foreign intelligence service, or just dystopian assholes in general. One of the owners of NordVPN is also the owner of a data harvesting company.




The nearly blind trust given to VPN companies reminds me of the nearly blind trust given to google in the early 2000s. As a general reminder that people didn’t hate Google then,

Explanation of the comic written around publication (2010)
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