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Best router out there currently

Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:08 am
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7979 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:08 am
My Netgear R6900P isn't cutting it anymore. Always having to power cycle it weekly if not more than that. I'm needing something with multiple frequencies for WiFi as well as a way I can set up a "Guest" network separate from the main usage. I would need some kind of parental controls on the Guest network as that would be the one my son would use. I currently have Google Fiber as my ISP and the 1Gig option. My network is not as I currently want it. I didn't get enough CAT drops in the house and I'll be upgrading that. Currently I have a couple switches in my office/living room that I will eventually remove in lieu of direct wiring to a 24 port switch in my network closet.

I know nothing of Mesh networks so if one is suggested, could someone post a little information about mesh networks?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17954 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:14 am to
best is a really unrefined term when it comes to this topic.

What is the best? Is it the most simple? Is it the most capable? Is it the most reliable? Is it the fastest? Is it the most feature packed? They all have different answers.

If you want to get into true top end stuff like prosumer gear, definitely take a look at Mikrotik. Otherwise, Ubiquiti/Unifi and TP-Link Omada gear are pretty solid at the prosumer level.

If you just want KISS (keep it simple stupid) TP-Link Deco systems are super simple.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:36 am to
Good advice above.


A note though in case you are not aware, consumer routers do typically have wifi built in, but some of the "prosumer" gear mentioned above do wifi with separate devices. The best place for your router to live is rarely the best place for a wifi AP. It's probably one of the worst places actually. My personal preference is ceiling-mounted wifi APs because they are mostly invisible and they can be placed in the best location for wifi to be (like in the middle of a room). Since you plan to run cable anyway I would recommend going this route.
Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
877 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 4:18 pm to
It really depends on your devices, what WiFI version are they on. It does no good to have the latest expensive WiFi 7 router if none of your devices are compatible and by the time you replace all of the devices down the line there will be a new standard and the prices will have gone down.

Also, with modern mesh routers there is less need for wired cable unless you are doing something specific. We have an Amplifi Alien mesh setup and can multiple stream 100GB 4K movie remuxs with no problem. They are even on a wireless backbone since there was no need for wired. They just work and are simple as can be to setup, not really any information to post. The setup is basically pick location, plug in and configure with an app. The App will let you know if the mesh points are too close or too far apart. You can use Cat for the backbone if you prefer.

I guess it would depend on your particular home layout and construction, but I would definitely look at a quality mesh system before more CAT drops but that's just me.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6403 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:23 pm to
Do wired to as many devices as you can. I didn't need mesh in a 5000 sq ft house, you just need to make sure your router is in the right place (we used to call that a site survey.) I moved from an R7800 (I think) to a TP-Link AX6000, and am happy with it. I think my previous router to the R7800 was an R6900P, but I don't recall.

Do the Ethernet drops, particularly to your main entertainment center, the playroom, office, etc. People overestimate how much it costs to have a cable monkey fish Cat5/6 through an interior wall, vs. how much it saves them in frustration later with connectivity.

Given your username, Dong Knows Tech may be an appropriate place to look for a product. Even in the same brand, there are so many product lines that do or do not operate with each other it's maddening. I think Netgear had three different iOS apps for router management the last time I set up a system for a neighbor.

Back to the Site Survey (Aironet Certified Wireless Engineer in the house), you may be able to figure our your current positioning problem with devices/router using "Fing," or something similar (Fing used to be free, but doesn't appear to be anymore.) Apps like that can tell you your signal loss in particular locations, and even moving something (router or endpoint) a few feet may make a significant difference.

Chain link fences and plaster/lathe seemed to be hell for at least 802.11b transmissions. Your fireplace is probably metal, not masonry, unless your house is old, and if you have your router next to the fireplace/chimney (where most entertainment centers seem to go,) you have a bunch of metal creating an impediment to WiFi transmission to locations in your home.

Mesh can be expensive. But, you can also use certain routers from the same brand to create a mesh, without spending consumer prices on a cute kit. With TP Link, for instance, you can go with the Omada line, which is business focused. Or you can "mesh" some Archer routers with each other. Or you can pay a premium to do it Costco style and go with the Deco line.

Are the switches in your office and living room really hurting anything? I had a 24 port in my wiring closet, but still had a switch in the living room area for the Sonos bridge, Xbox, Roku, etc. The reason I bring this up is that I think you can only stick 6? RJ45 jacks in a single gang wall plate. You could run multi gig between the homerun and the living room and stick a cheap switch in the entertainment center.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23878 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:36 pm to
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Or you can "mesh" some Archer routers with each other.


This is what I've done in our house and most of the time it's seamless and I'm pretty happy with the results. Occasionally, I'll travel from one side of the house to the other and my phone will want to stay connected to the distant router. Getting it to connect to the strongest one is as simple as turning off the phone's wifi connection and turning it back on.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:31 am to
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Occasionally, I'll travel from one side of the house to the other and my phone will want to stay connected to the distant router. Getting it to connect to the strongest one is as simple as turning off the phone's wifi connection and turning it back on.
You should probably turn down the power on your APs. Your phone won't drop the connection and look for a better one until the signal is too weak, and all it knows is it still sees a strong enough signal. It doesn't know how weak the signal is the other way.

Posted by hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
6229 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:22 am to
I switched to Eero Mesh a few years ago. Simple plug and play setup. I fought router issues for years before that, but have not had a single router problem since.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:33 am to
Not trying to knock your choice, but I strongly recommend against Eero. If it works for you then certainly stick with it, but having dealt with a few Eero installs it does not handle adverse conditions well at all in my experience.

Eero also locks very basic features behind a $99/year paywall.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23878 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:57 am to
quote:

You should probably turn down the power on your APs


I hear you and I get it, but I use these same routers to connect to devices outside of the house. (Ring doorbell, fireTV, ESP8266 to control my LEDs, etc). (And of course each router is dedicated to a different device on different corners of the house... ) So it's a catch 22 situation. It doesn't happen frequently enough (1-2x per month) to really be a problem.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 8:58 am
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6403 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

You should probably turn down the power on your APs.


That's a valid point, but the router/mesh software (or the phone) should be smart enough to take throughput vs signal strength, etc., into account. But, even within the same brand, it can be handled differently in the software. Some firmware handles handoff better than others, but he shouldn't need handoff to begin with, unless he lives on a farm. There is a long list of considerations about how the endpoint device does the handoff, or doesn't, as well. Unless he's got a giant property, I'd still suggest trying to do some wifi reception analysis before spending money on hardware and relying on that to fix the problem. This may tell you, depending on how much bandwidth you chew up in certain locations, whether you can get away with a non wired backhaul for your "remote" location. It matters if you you're watching Prime Video, or if your kids are just scrolling Tik Tok, in terms of what you need.

Normal people shouldn't have to get into stuff like turning down AP power to have devices work normally. Especially now that everyone has multiple Wifi networks in their houses, things like channel deconfliction are nearly a fools errand for the above average homeowner.

An option you may have is to create different Wifi networks on the same router. One for media devices, another for mobiles, another for laptops/PCs. That may make the situation better, if you can do it.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23878 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:54 pm to
quote:

Especially now that everyone has multiple Wifi networks in their houses, things like channel deconfliction are nearly a fools errand for the above average homeowner


Fwiw, I have each of my 4 routers set to a different Ap channel. I also have them set so they don't overlap with what my neighbors are using as well.
Posted by RebelWithACause
Jackson
Member since Nov 2010
1268 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:55 am to
I use the Google Nest mesh router and access points and have no complaints.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11906 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 1:59 pm to
This thread has good timing. I want to use my $200 Dell credit from my AMEX and it's the only big sale the first half of the year this weekend. I have a setup with 2 separate tenants downstairs (1br each) and me upstairs in a 3br. House isn't huge at 2,200sqft.

I looked at the Eero Pro 6e but it only allows 1 guest network. I'd like to have my SSID and 2 more for guests.

I'm currently running the famous Asus 1900 and have been for about 5 years and honestly it works fine, but I'm pretty sure I don't get the speeds I could with a newer router/mesh system. I have 500mbs from Spectrum.

Any good recs for what I should look into?
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
801 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:55 pm to
TP-link AP can assign at least 6 ssids. Can be configured by omada software or webpage.

My house is 2200 sqft as well and it covers my house and yard (1/3ac). Have it located on a ceiling centrally located.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4856 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:15 pm to
If I was in the market right now, I'd probably get a Synology RT6600ax router. Then add a cheaper access point like a Synology WRX560 (if I needed more coverage.)

The base performance of the RT6600ax is probably enough for most homes.

RT6600ax
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11906 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

TP-link AP

Is that a router or just an access point? I'm not that techy, so a little more info on what products you have would be helpful
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
801 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 5:59 pm to
Access point - $60-80

If you get the AP get the router as well for $50-60 if you need to upgrade your existing router.

They have managed 8 port switches for $20-30 that support vlans.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66380 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 4:11 pm to
I just threw my Nest mesh routers in the trash. Upgraded modem to Arris Surfboard and got the TP Link XE75 Pro units for my mesh setup. Really impressed so far

If your house has the setup for it, do something with a wired backhaul
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 4:14 pm
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:28 pm to
Buy a used Sophos XG router on eBay, download the free home version and install it on the device (lots of write ups online). Some of smaller models have built in WiFi and no loud arse fans. It’s fully functional and gives you all the pro NGFW features (webfilter,Rules,malware/av scanning/ ITP, etc) at no charge.

Or if you are more of an out the box connect with your phone to setup/pay a subscription type. One of the prosumer ones mentioned above would work too.

For example, I bought a XG 210 rev 3 for 130 bucks, loaded the software, registered and now have a multi thousand dollar a year (comparable) business grade NGFW with services subscription without ongoing costs. My sister bought a netgear something or other for like 200 that is nowhere near as capable and pays yearly for the web filtering sub for her kids.

Something like this with the free home firmware will blow any prosumer one out of the water, but won’t be as simple to setup initially. LINK

They have a write up somewhere online that shows what models/revisions can run the home version’s software version. Not sure of that one will, but was just and example of one with WiFi built in.
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