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Atlantic: AI makes iPhone a Trojan horse
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:16 am
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:16 am
MSN.com
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Before today, the narrative in Silicon Valley was that Apple is woefully late to the AI movement, letting companies such as OpenAI take the lead developing chatbots and other language models. But this analysis seems to misunderstand where the tech giant’s true power lies. Apple reportedly has been in talks with both Google and OpenAI to integrate each company’s generative-AI products into the iPhone. As today’s event revealed, Apple made a deal with OpenAI first, and its ChatGPT model will be available to supplement Apple Intelligence features later this year. (Apple said it plans to incorporate models from other AI developers in the future.) It’s likely a lucrative contract for OpenAI, but the start-up is arguably getting something even more valuable out of the agreement: access to millions of normal people....
The iPhone is becoming a kind of generative-AI Trojan horse. You could argue that OpenAI, which is still looking to normalize generative AI for late and skeptical adopters, should be paying Apple for the exposure. ...
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 7:52 am to prplhze2000
Elon Musk vehemently agrees.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 7:56 am to prplhze2000
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The Apple announcement is the clearest sign that generative AI, foisted onto an enormous web of mainstream devices, will be essentially inescapable.
What kind of Luddite wrote this article? It’s really strange because the tone seems negative, but they also reported pretty factually, it just doesn’t seem as sinister to me as they make it.
Apple has 2 layers of private LLM you go through before you hand it off to a 3rd party like ChatGPT. Those first 2 layers are aimed at dealing with your personal information. The 3rd layer is envisioned by Apple as something users will have more choice of in the future. This is a big step forward in bottom up, pro consumer AI instead of top down, on the terms of the megacorp AI.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 8:24 am to prplhze2000
I hate that you have to buy new tech every so often. Like once it's broken and its been a few years, you just have to buy something new. On top of the security that needs to be in place with new operating systems. When I need to buy a new phone, I don't want all this AI shite on it.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:12 am to BlackPot
Screw all of you.
You had security with Blackberry but noooooo....... didn't want it, even after it went to Android.
You had security with Blackberry but noooooo....... didn't want it, even after it went to Android.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
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Apple has 2 layers of private LLM you go through before you hand it off to a 3rd party like ChatGPT. Those first 2 layers are aimed at dealing with your personal information. The 3rd layer is envisioned by Apple as something users will have more choice of in the future.
trust us; you can opt out of whatever you want.
these phones would NEVER turn you in if you were texting ugly thoughts in private messages to your friends.
--- signed; Amazon Ring doorbell misunderstanding the 'n' word, the tesla employees passing around usb drives with customers having sex inside their vehicles and google photo face recognition diligently turning in every person who was in Washington DC on a certain date.
eta see??? look how simple it is to "TURN ON" privacy.
YOU'RE JUST A DUMB SHMUCK IF YOU HAVEN"T FIGURED OUT HOW TO CLICK THE 9,000 PERMUTATIONS OF THE PRIVACY MATRIX !
THIS IS USER ERROR.
If you had just checked the correct box, the FBI wouldn't be getting cc-d on every LIKE you make.
oh, and BTW, those are just window dressing. facebook is still recording every move you make.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/12/24 at 10:21 am to CAD703X
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trust us; you can opt out of whatever you want.
I get that you have an axe to grind with any and all things Apple, but I'm telling you that y'all are throwing the baby out with the bathwater hating on this. The architecture here is different and hopefully forces the hand of everyone else in the AI space who are operating like this is Social Media 2.0 in terms of trying to take as much of our data as possible without paying for it.
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what’s most amazing about Apple Intelligence is how private it is. Apple Intelligence may get to know a lot about you, but Apple will know nothing, and Apple Intelligence is designed so that Apple never can. In other words, Apple Intelligence is the first generative AI platform designed from the ground up to protect your privacy
...How Apple Intelligence maintains your privacy when other AI systems can’t
It takes a lot of raw processing power to run an AI or LLM—power most smartphones or PCs lack. To get around this, most AI companies run their AI on powerful servers in the cloud, where users must send their data and requests to be analyzed and computed.
But since Apple’s latest devices, including all Apple Silicon Macs and iPads, and the iPhone 15 Pro series, contain the world’s most advanced personal computer chips, they are powerful enough to run and process many AI tasks on the device itself. Users don’t have to send off their data to a remote server for processing, which in turn means their personal data never goes to Apple.
Of course, there are some cases where even the chips on the latest Macs and iPhones won’t have the power or speed to process a user’s AI request locally on device. In that case, the user’s request will be sent to Apple’s servers in the cloud. However, Apple’s implementation of server-side AI is radically different from that of other major AI players such as OpenAI and Google.
Called Private Cloud Compute (PCC), Apple’s implementation of server-side AI only sends the minimum information required from your device to the cloud for processing. It is impossible for Apple’s AI servers, which are custom-built by the company, to store data requests—the information is cryptographically destroyed after the processed request is returned to the user and is never seen by anyone at Apple. (Indeed, PCC was purposely designed to make it impossible for anyone at Apple to ever see your data—you can read a deep dive into all the security protections here).
But you don’t have to take Apple’s word on any of this, either. The company is giving independent security researchers access to its Apple Intelligence server implementation to verify that all of Apple’s privacy and security claims for PCC are accurate. For the privacy-minded, these security redundancies provide a level of trust and assurance previously unheard of in the AI space.
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 11:00 am to TigerinATL
AI can take any set of personal data and run it through data bases and personally identify you regardless of what apples does.
Apple is testing out the waters to see how gullible people really are.
Apple is testing out the waters to see how gullible people really are.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 11:24 am to notsince98
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AI can take any set of personal data and run it through data bases and personally identify you regardless of what apples does.
The first 2 layers are not collecting/storing information long term, they are processing that information. Now if you ask Siri "what is this rash?" and it has to hand off to the 3rd layer after it asks you permission to send that picture to the 3rd party AI, which currently is ChatGPT, sure now ChatGPT knows you have an STD.
This is a start, and shitting all over it because its not perfect will not help reduce reasons to be paranoid. We should embrace what they are aiming at and ask the other companies why they aren't doing the same thing. If there is enough focus on privacy then eventually that 3rd layer would become more private as well. But you guys that seem worried about privacy the most are being hindrances to privacy getting better by attacking the first serious commercial effort at privacy focused AI.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
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you guys that seem worried about privacy the most are being hindrances to privacy getting better by attacking the first serious commercial effort at privacy focused AI.
why cant the first question be "why am i forced to have this shite on a device that i never asked for?"
at least with AI on a browser, i can decide when and how i want to go to that website and submit a query.
once the genie is out and the assumption is 'well all devices are fully ai-integrated now' we are frickED.
with a capital
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:14 pm to TigerinATL
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We should embrace what they are aiming at
This is the fundamental flaw in your position. We should absolutely not embrace it at any level. You want to trust huge conglomerates and governments despite overwhelming evidence from the known history of the planet showing you not to.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:26 pm to notsince98
FTR, I'm very pro open source AI models, so it doesn't have to all come from conglomerates.
I respect the doomerism, I'm GenX so instinctive fear of AI is in my blood too, but this train has left the station and is going to provide enough usefulness that it won't be stopped. All we can do is try and steer it in good directions. Taking the stance that No AI is a Good AI isn't going to change anything, it's just going to take people like yourself, who could help steer things in a pro humanity direction, out of the conversation completely and giving those that would steer it in bad directions an advantage.
I respect the doomerism, I'm GenX so instinctive fear of AI is in my blood too, but this train has left the station and is going to provide enough usefulness that it won't be stopped. All we can do is try and steer it in good directions. Taking the stance that No AI is a Good AI isn't going to change anything, it's just going to take people like yourself, who could help steer things in a pro humanity direction, out of the conversation completely and giving those that would steer it in bad directions an advantage.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:41 pm to TigerinATL
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I respect the doomerism,
Sounds like you are a science/facts denier. Are you one of those crazy conspiracy theorists?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:36 pm to prplhze2000
The irony of a bunch of "where my free shite" Google app users worrying about loss of privacy is rich dessert.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:36 pm to TigerGman
None of this shite is secure at all. If you want privacy, true privacy, throw your phone in the trash and bury it in the ocean and never use it again?
We all compromise to a degree. We have to in 2024 if we want to use a cell phone. Do I like it? Not really but if someone wants to listen in to me and my wife getting it on - kinda creepy - but I’ll teach you lil’ splunk-buster, how to do it right!
We all compromise to a degree. We have to in 2024 if we want to use a cell phone. Do I like it? Not really but if someone wants to listen in to me and my wife getting it on - kinda creepy - but I’ll teach you lil’ splunk-buster, how to do it right!
Posted on 6/12/24 at 3:04 pm to DoubleDown
"Alexa only listens to you after you say her name"
Posted on 6/12/24 at 10:54 pm to prplhze2000
That’s all I need is a politically biased AI system running things in my phone
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:47 am to burke985
Wait until you ask it scientific questions like can a man have a baby and how many genders are there.
Anyone defending this shite is an absolute and utter moron.
But AI is helpful!
Anyone defending this shite is an absolute and utter moron.
But AI is helpful!
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:50 am to CAD703X
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why cant the first question be "why am i forced to have this shite on a device that i never asked for?"
at least with AI on a browser, i can decide when and how i want to go to that website and submit a query.
once the genie is out and the assumption is 'well all devices are fully ai-integrated now' we are frickED.
It’s a bit funny how so many folks seem to think this is the end of privacy. As if Apple (or Google, or anyone else) needs to install an LLM on your smartphone to invade your privacy. The genie is already out of the bottle.
For people who think these companies will steal/misuse whatever data they can, no matter what, you may as well throw your smartphone into the ocean. The ship has already sailed, if you’re that pessimistic.
For people who are not that pessimistic, the question becomes “how are they handling privacy concerns?” I think the points about multiple layers of LLM at the device level, to reduce the amount of identifying information transmitted to Apple, are salient.
Technology is going to move forward one way or another. Nobody is being forced to move forward with it. People say “I don’t have a choice; I have to have a smartphone to function in 2024 society.” If that’s the mentality, then people will be saying “I have to have AI integration in [insert year].” If you don’t agree with that, then the statement that you need a smartphone today is kind of bullshite.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:29 am to lostinbr
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It’s a bit funny how so many folks seem to think this is the end of privacy. As if Apple (or Google, or anyone else) needs to install an LLM on your smartphone to invade your privacy. The genie is already out of the bottle.
For people who think these companies will steal/misuse whatever data they can, no matter what, you may as well throw your smartphone into the ocean. The ship has already sailed, if you’re that pessimistic.
wow, so you're equating apple storing all kinds of digital bits and pieces with an AI who is ACTIVELY CONNECTING THE DOTS on your phone to create a profile of who you are..a dangerous, gun lovin' southern white male who 'likes' donald trump posts and who the IRS may want to audit.
you think its cute how well AI can figure shite out? Now put that on your phone which is already listening to everything around it 24/7 and see how quick your world turns upside down.
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