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Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:28 pm
Bout what I expected coming from a Biden administration lawsuit that relies on social stigma as a basis for anti-competitiveness


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Apple has an official statement on the DoJ's lawsuit:

At Apple, we innovate every day to make technology people love--designing products that work seamlessly together, protect people's privacy and security, and create a magical experience for our users. This lawsuit threatens who we are and the principles that set Apple products apart in fiercely competitive markets. If successful, it would hinder our ability to create the kind of technology people expect from Apple--where hardware, software, and services intersect. It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology. We believe this lawsuit is wrong on the facts and the law, and we will vigorously defend against it.


Apple has also held media briefings and shared information on key facts in the lawsuit. Some highlights:

The DoJ has changed the scope of its case six times due to the results in ?Epic Games? v. Apple and other lawsuits. Several theories were considered and had to be abandoned because of a lack of evidence.
Apple says that the lawsuit won't be successful because it does not get the facts right. It would set a dangerous precedent for government interference in technology, and would make the ?iPhone? less private, less secure, and more vulnerable to malware. The ?iPhone? would not be able to operate as well with other Apple products, and user information would be put at risk.
Apple claims the DoJ wants to turn the ?iPhone? into an Android, and that the case goes after the key features that make the ?iPhone? experience unique.
Apple does not believe the lawsuit has a basis in antitrust law and seems to be suggesting that Apple has an obligation to design its products in a way that would help competitors.
In a recent ruling in the AliveCor v. Apple dispute, the court said that it cannot oversee technology and innovation, and it is not for the court to analyze algorithms.
The DoJ ignored changes to streaming game apps and plans to implement ?RCS?, and Apple says that super apps have always been permitted.
Apple claims the DoJ is trying to fit Apple into the theories that were successful in the antitrust case against Microsoft 20 years back, but Apple does not agree with the parallels. Microsoft had a 95 percent share of the market, and Apple says that business decisions are made to provide consumers with maximum privacy and safety.
Apple says the DoJ misses that customers are loyal because they are satisfied with their devices and love Apple products.
Apple claims it spent three years looking at whether it made sense to make an Apple Watch for Android, but ultimately chose not to make one because it would be inferior and would have limits impacting privacy and security.

iMessage has not been designed for other platforms because Apple doesn't have a way to verify that a third-party device has encryption and authentication procedures that meet its standards, and that security issues on third-party devices could expose the content of ?iPhone? users' messages, leading to fraud and spam issues.
Apple's Motion for Dismissal
Apple on May 21 filed a pre-motion letter seeking to dismiss the antitrust case from the DoJ. According to Apple, the government's lawsuit is flawed in multiple ways, and has not successfully alleged that Apple is a monopoly power in the relevant market, proven anticompetitive conduct, or demonstrated consumer harm. From Apple's filing:
This case lies well beyond the outer limits of antitrust law. A Section 2 Sherman Act claim can move past the pleadings only if the complaint alleges (1) monopoly power in a relevant market; (2) anticompetitive conduct; and (3) anticompetitive effects. [...]

This complaint fails on all three fronts. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the type of conduct at the core of this case--namely, Apple's decisions about how and whether to grant third parties access to its platform--does not give rise to Section 2 liability as a matter of law.

The complaint also nowhere connects the restrictions it challenges to any anticompetitive effects in the smartphone market. And regardless, far from being a monopolist, Apple faces fierce competition from well-established rivals, and the complaint fails to allege that Apple has the ability to charge supra-competitive prices or restrict output in the alleged smartphone markets, let alone that it has the market share necessary to establish or infer market power.

Following the pre-motion letter, the DoJ will need to respond by May 30. From there, the two parties will have a conference with Neals. After that, the full motion to dismiss will be filed, but this is not expected until mid-June at the earliest.
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This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 6:10 pm to
Elections have consequences, Apple.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 4:12 am to
DOJ is corrupted and needs to be defunded.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 6:44 am to
First, I believe this to be a token action by the Democrat DoJ allowing them to appear unbiased when in fact the Biden DoJ overwhelmingly goes after their political opponents.

Second, this is the old security vs freedom debate and in the end, I believe Apple will find itself on the wrong side of history as did IBM when they first introduced the proprietary IBM PC.

But having said this, I believe the lawsuit to be frivolous because users have the option to choose Android devices which comprise more of the total international market share. In other words, I believe that users should be able to choose Apple's proprietary hardware and software if they so desire because there are readily available alternatives.
Posted by burke985
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 6:58 am to
They supported this monetarily and voted for this now eat shite
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 9:31 am to
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They supported this monetarily and voted for this now eat shite

The irony is inescapable...
Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:26 am to
The real problem is the carriers. They limit competition among manufacturers. That is why we have less choices available than they do in overseas markets. They also advertise the hell out of the iPhone and Galaxy. GO to the store and that is what the rep pushes. We had much more competition ten years ago.
Posted by jcaz
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Member since Aug 2014
17625 posts
Posted on 5/24/24 at 1:41 pm to
The DOJ, like most other three letter agencies, are chasing anything they can to try and retain funding and relevance.
I know plenty of Apple haters but nothing has stopped them from going Android. This is so stupid.
Posted by ArkLaTexTiger
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 5:41 pm to
Apple has grown market share, revenue and profits and now those Dems want to get into their pockets.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:24 pm to
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The real problem is the carriers. They limit competition among manufacturers. That is why we have less choices available than they do in overseas markets.


Some of that is government banned import of some China brands too.
Posted by Chimlim
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:31 am to
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The DoJ holds itself responsible for Apple's success



Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:18 am to
Just huwei.

Nothing phone is a great android budget phone. Prei said without carrier support or at least getting whitelisted by carriers, it's dead here. He said US market was different from others in that carriers serve as gatekeepers for manufacturers.

OnePlus isn't even whitelisted by some carriers, much less sold by them.

Xiaomi isn't even available here. Not because it's banned.

Fairphone is making a good android phone. Easy to repair, expandable storage, removable battery. No carrier support or whitelist

Asus makes a damn good ROG phone. Same thing.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:50 pm to
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Just huwei


ZTE as well
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:48 pm to
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But having said this, I believe the lawsuit to be frivolous because users have the option to choose Android devices which comprise more of the total international market share. In other words, I believe that users should be able to choose Apple's proprietary hardware and software if they so desire because there are readily available alternatives.


iMessage is going to be hard to explain. Europe is already putting the heat on Apple. Apple has become anti-competitive than IBM or Microsoft ever were.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 6:15 am to
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Apple has become anti-competitive than IBM or Microsoft ever were.


You have to dominate a market to be anti competitive. Apple doesn't dominate the text messaging market. They just have their own version.
Posted by FLTech
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Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:19 am to
While I hate text messaging android users (because I am an iPhone user)

Why are they going after iphone to fix this messaging debacle and not going after android who has a very shitty horrible texting feature?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:34 am to
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Why are they going after iphone to fix this messaging debacle and not going after android who has a very shitty horrible texting feature?



Because all other brands of phones play well with each other except one.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:52 am to
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Why are they going after iphone to fix this messaging debacle and not going after android who has a very shitty horrible texting feature?


Bc Apple won’t allow the RCS from Android. They just use old arse SMS.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:22 pm to
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Bc Apple won’t allow the RCS from Android. They just use old arse SMS.


So we are going to let the government start micro-managing business decisions now?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:56 pm to
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So we are going to let the government start micro-managing business decisions now?


Or…. Just get rid of SMS from all carriers and come up with a technology befitting this decade

Apple won’t be discriminated against bc the SMS won’t be there
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 1:57 pm
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