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re: Will the US change its youth system?
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:45 am to Corinthians420
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:45 am to Corinthians420
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the first touch is the most important and we still have guys starting that struggle to control it much less put it in the right spot
So many first touches bounced up and so many passes played off the ground. Quality soccer starts with simple passes played on the ground. Receiving and controlling a bounced ball is slower and sets in motion a chaotic passing sequence that is easy to disrupt. US coaches are completely unaware of this most basic premise.
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:46 am to Robin Masters
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Having speed doesn’t hurt but the problem is that when you’re a hammer the world looks like a nail so players think they can use speed in every situation.
yeah it is something that is such a huge advantage that players become too reliant on it and by the time they reach a level that it isnt effective they are behind in other areas. regardless our team is very athletic.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:49 am to Robin Masters
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Having speed doesn’t hurt but the problem is that when you’re a hammer the world looks like a nail so players think they can use speed in every situation.
Exactly. You need players who are thoughtful on the ball. But there's also a place in the sport for fast players, but most of them never work out because of the over-rely on their athleticism and not their technique. A really good example of a fast player who actually was thoughtful on and off the ball was Theo Walcott. He didn't really like the ball at his feet other than to finish, but his movement off-the-ball was utterly superb.
Our movement in general is underwhelming, especially against the low-block.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:51 am to STLhog
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He’d be a bitchin little slot receiver.
Messi, the Argentinian Cole Beasley
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:00 am to crazy4lsu
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Our movement in general is underwhelming, especially against the low-block.
I think it came down to not having a #9. the way our attacks were building most of the tourney we needed a 9 that would run to the edge of the box to open up space and draw defenders away from the middle. instead our 9 whether it was sargent or ferreira or haji (against england) sat in the middle to occupy defenders. we didn't come close to finishing a cross or a corner all tourney so we needed a 9 to just clear space in the middle with diagonal runs to the endline on the edge of the box. we should be creating more opportunities for Musah and McKennie to get shots off.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:03 am to WinnPtiger
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Messi, the Argentinian Cole Beasley
honestly watching messi hoist the trophy would be the 2nd best result aside from Tyler Adams
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:08 am to Corinthians420
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I think it came down to not having a #9.
Nah, it was the entire forward line. They were way too static with their movement. One of the few times we had a diagonal run led to Weah’s disallowed goal. The fact we didn’t have a number 9 meant our movement should have been more dynamic. But our movement was very vertical and didn’t effectively use horizontal space.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
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didn’t effectively use horizontal space.
yeah this is what i was getting at but that was mostly on the guys I mentioned because we only started 1 CF in 3/4 games and even against England Weah played more as a winger.
We only had 1 guy posted up in the middle of the field for most games and they refused to run to leave the center of the top of the box for the most part even if they had 2 guys on their back
notice how many times Gakpo ran defenders away from the middle to open up space for Depay yesterday? Ferreira would never do that to open up space for pulisic
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:25 am to Corinthians420
Pretty much. Our progressive passing to the final third was really good, but we were terrible in the final third in pretty much every respect.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:32 am to michael corleone
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the best athletes in the rest of the world play soccer. That is a fact and why we continue to lose.
This is just false. You don’t have to be 6’5 230 to play at an elite level in soccer. In a lot of ways it will hurt you. (The one beneficial position is maybe CB)
If you watch soccer players there is a reason they don’t have massive upper bodies. It’s more weight to carry around for 90 minutes and it doesn’t really benefit you except maybe set pieces and yes fighting someone off a ball.
The most important things in soccer are that you are technically strong, can run all day, and are smart enough to know where to play the ball and where you need to be in the developing play. If you too that off with speed and agility your golden.
look at soccer players without shirts. Their upper bodies are cut but not massive. Their legs are like tree trunks. There is a reason you don’t see many 6’2-6’5 freak athletes out there playing any position not named center back. That’s because most of the time the shorter guys are typically quicker, more agile players.
It’s not the athletes that are the problem, it’s the coaching…specifically tactically at youth levels…or at least it has been. We will see over the next couple cycles if they got it right. But most people feel they are moving in the right direction.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 1:31 pm to patchesohoulihan_007
I’ve often thought that the US could field 5-6 regional teams (given time) that would be better than a national team.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:45 pm to Xenophon
I would imagine giving half the money earned by the men to the women doesn’t help.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:11 am to michael corleone
If only the US had genetic freaks like 5’8” 140lb Luka Modric.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:42 am to extremetigerfanatic
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I would imagine giving half the money earned by the men to the women doesn’t help.
moot point. before the new deal the men still only got to keep half the winnings. the other half just went to the US Soccer Federation instead of the women's team. In 2014 the mens team won $9 million in the world cup but only got $4.3 million.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:43 am to Robin Masters
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If only the US had genetic freaks like 5’8” 140lb Luka Modric.
that was supposed to be me
I could run all game and never tire. I blame whoever was supposed to be teaching me how to do everything else 
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:49 am to Corinthians420
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moot point. before the new deal the men still only got to keep half the winnings. the other half just went to the US Soccer Federation instead of the women's team. In 2014 the mens team won $9 million in the world cup but only got $4.3 million.
Not to mention the womens side are the most successful international team in history while the men seem to consistently underperform.
You could make a case that the women deserve more than half IF you are inclined to base rewards on results. Of course we have become a nation of complacent participation trophy recipients so I’m sure many aren’t inclined to use those metrics.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:09 am to WicKed WayZ
Their selection process was garbage when we went through it. Got invited to a regional ODP camp but my son was done with soccer by that point, at 13 yrs old.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:51 am to Robin Masters
Being an athlete is more than being able to run fast and be explosive with a prototype physique.
Athletic talents include balance, which is probably the most important talent across all sports, and associated body control and awareness of the body in space, and eye/foot coordination.
Steph Curry is one of the greatest basketball players of all time because he has absolutely elite balance and eye/hand coordination. It's because of his genetics, not training. No amount of skills training in the world will elevate a basketball player without Steph's genetics to his level. Same with Messi. The guy has elite genetics that pertain to soccer.
Athletic talents include balance, which is probably the most important talent across all sports, and associated body control and awareness of the body in space, and eye/foot coordination.
Steph Curry is one of the greatest basketball players of all time because he has absolutely elite balance and eye/hand coordination. It's because of his genetics, not training. No amount of skills training in the world will elevate a basketball player without Steph's genetics to his level. Same with Messi. The guy has elite genetics that pertain to soccer.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:07 pm to WicKed WayZ
My son is currently going through the "revamped" youth program and it's sooo much better than it was when I was growing up. I just think we are still in the infancy of this program and haven't seen the fruit of our labor.
Also - to those saying we don't have enough interest, it's true that percentage wise we don't have the numbers, a large part of the rest of the world plays "pickup futball" while here in the US we do much more Basketball and American Football pickup games with friends. But as a whole that really isn't the reason per say, we also don't have as big of interest in Olympic sports either for the same reason but we do just fine in those because the physicality of people from the States just tend to help us on the World Stage.
P.S: We also need to continue to put more money and resources into our Professional Soccer leagues
I absolutely love going to my local USL Club and it's popularity has been quickly increased the last few years.
Also - to those saying we don't have enough interest, it's true that percentage wise we don't have the numbers, a large part of the rest of the world plays "pickup futball" while here in the US we do much more Basketball and American Football pickup games with friends. But as a whole that really isn't the reason per say, we also don't have as big of interest in Olympic sports either for the same reason but we do just fine in those because the physicality of people from the States just tend to help us on the World Stage.
P.S: We also need to continue to put more money and resources into our Professional Soccer leagues
I absolutely love going to my local USL Club and it's popularity has been quickly increased the last few years.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:22 pm to Gaston
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Their selection process was garbage when we went through it. Got invited to a regional ODP camp but my son was done with soccer by that point, at 13 yrs old.
Had an experience at ODP camp which is perfect example of why US struggles. The head of ODP was explaining first team/ second team selection process to a group of parents and said “don’t worry if you make second team blah blah blah, we had Chris Richards (Birmingham native and current Premier League player) try out as a 14 yo and he only made second team.”
I immediately was like, you had a future premier league player try out and you put him on the second team??? You frickers have no idea what you’re looking at!
Then Chris Richard’s goes to Dallas and can’t make their top team. Lol.
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