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USL votes to implement Pro/Rel

Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:06 pm
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:06 pm
From the athletic:

In a historic move, United Soccer League (USL) owners voted Tuesday to become the first professional soccer entity in the United States to adopt promotion and relegation, sources with knowledge of the vote told The Athletic. USL owners passed the vote with a supermajority, according to those sources. The USL currently operates two pro leagues: the second-division USL Championship and third-division USL League One. Last month it announced it will launch a new first division, with expectations to begin play in 2028. League owners now will look to introduce promotion and relegation throughout that three-tiered pyramid, with an aim to launch pro-rel along along with the new Division 1 league. The pro-rel system is used commonly throughout the world. In leagues that utilize promotion and relegation, teams that finish at the bottom of the table move down to the division directly beneath their league, while teams that finish atop the lower divisions move up. The USL previously discussed implementing pro-rel in 2023, but had not been able to get enough support to bring it to a vote. That changed this week, sources said, when, among other things, the positive response to the announced Division 1 league helped to spur owners into action. Over the last few years, USL has studied different versions of what a pro-rel system would look like if implemented. That likely still has to be finalized in coming years. The change could dramatically reshape what the USL — and American pro soccer — looks like. Major League Soccer operates as a single-entity business and is a closed league, with no promotion and relegation, akin more to North American sports leagues like the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL. MLS, like the USL leagues now, uses a playoff system to determine its champion and provide some level of consequence for teams who finish above or below the playoff line. Currently, U.S. Soccer’s pro league standards include stringent guidelines for D1 teams, as well as for teams in the second and third tier. The introduction of promotion and relegation could force the sport’s governing body to rethink some of those standards in order to accommodate teams that move up and down within USL’s pyramid. USL’s initial push for promotion and relegation was held up in part by owners’ fears about lost revenue should their teams be relegated. It’s a financial hardship that has been demonstrated around the world in more established leagues. But those leagues also have more established revenues — and larger media deals. USL relies almost exclusively on gameday revenues, including ticketing and concessions, as well as local sponsorship deals. Those are less likely to be impacted in the short- and medium-term as USL implements pro-rel. And while USL has an agreement with CBS and drew 431,000 viewers for its championship game last year — just shy of the 468,000 viewers that tuned in to MLS Cup on Fox and Fox Deportes, though that does not include viewers on Apple’s MLS Season Pass — it’s a far cry from the media deals in England, for example, where hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake for teams that go in and out of the Premier League. The jeopardy in England, in other words, is much larger. Promotion and relegation could help to drive more media interest in USL, however. For USL leaders, that meant more potential upside in introducing a system that is used around the world — and one for which a sector of Americans fans have clamored for years. Shows like Welcome to Wrexham and Ted Lasso have introduced the romantic side of promotion and relegation to a wider group of sports fans in recent years. Now, fans of USL clubs will have the chance to follow pro-rel stories in their own backyard.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:38 pm to
Not enough upvotes to give!
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 6:30 am to
Excellent news!
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:54 am to
Great news, but we dont need another league, no one is going to watch this
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:44 am to
who watches MLS?
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9452 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:07 am to
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no one is going to watch this


I think a lot of soccer folks don’t watch MLS for the lone reason that is doesn’t have pro/rel.

I am going to go out of my way to watch USL now. Gotta find a team to support!
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29120 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:08 am to
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who watches MLS?

I do, and I try to go to a game in person at least once or twice a year. In person attendance is decent for the league but the apple paywall blows major nuts.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38089 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:20 pm to
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who watches MLS?


People who have mls season pass?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:45 pm to
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who watches MLS?


I watch the local team.

But I think the league sucks.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86567 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:24 pm to
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People who have mls season pass?


How many is that?

The league is basically invisible now that it’s behind a paywall on a niche service.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
12624 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:27 pm to
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who watches MLS?


I did, but haven't watched a game yet this season because I can't commit to watching enough to pay for Season Pass. I'll catch Orlando City when they play on FS1.
Posted by WhoDatNC
NC
Member since Dec 2013
13417 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:57 pm to
I love this move. We are very fortunate in our area to have both MLS and USL soccer to watch.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51555 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:24 am to
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I think a lot of soccer folks don’t watch MLS for the lone reason that is doesn’t have pro/rel.



That’s not why

Our leagues dont have pro/rel and we watch them so how is soccer supposed to be different?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
76361 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 1:18 pm to
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That’s not why



Yeah, while I think pro/rel is a more fun (and scary) way to watch your team, it's way down on the list as to reasons why people aren't watching MLS.

ETA: I bet if you were to poll all Americans who watch EPL regularly, the overwhelming majority wouldn't know which teams got relegated the year before and which championship teams were promoted... because the majority of the American EPL viewers are City, Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal and Tottenham fans, so pro/rel never really applies for them anyway.
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted by In The Know
City of St George, La
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 2:37 pm to
Awesome! Time to get a team in BR/St George
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10471 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 2:38 pm to
Posted this in the MLS thread too, but I just got an offer from DraftKings to bet 5 dollars on any soccer game and get MLS season pass for free for the rest of the season. MLS must be desperate for views.
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
16052 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 3:05 pm to
'Pro-rel' needs to die with this article.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
12624 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 4:23 pm to
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Posted this in the MLS thread too, but I just got an offer from DraftKings to bet 5 dollars on any soccer game and get MLS season pass for free for the rest of the season.


Great looking out
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
86567 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:27 pm to
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Posted this in the MLS thread too, but I just got an offer from DraftKings to bet 5 dollars on any soccer game and get MLS season pass for free for the rest of the season. MLS must be desperate for views.



they are basically giving subscriptions away

now is the time to build a real alternative to the abysmal failure MLS has been for everyone but the owners.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51555 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:59 pm to
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now is the time to build a real alternative to the abysmal failure MLS has been for everyone but the owners.


England hasn’t won a World Cup since 1966, is the EPL a failure?
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