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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. A Guy Named Ana | Gold Cup Group D | 9pm CT (FS1)
Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:36 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:36 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Our issue is we put too much stock in education.
Send these kids to academies like Pulisic
Not college
College hasn't been the main pipeline for American soccer players for over a decade now.
That's not the problem, the problem is that our youth academy coaches are still sub-standard.
That is getting better, but slowly.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:52 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Send these kids to academies like Pulisic
Not college
Who's turning down Bundesliga contracts to go to college?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:40 pm to Broski
Where is the scouting structure? Are we truly canvassing the entire country for young talent? Maybe that’s happening but I doubt it.
However we know it’s happening in baseball football and basketball. The challenge with soccer is that the talent has to be recognized and scouted at a much earlier age. Our society and culture is not used to that.
The big 3 American sports start scouting in junior high some but then mostly high school. For soccer players, that’s too late.
So do we have a nation wide scouting network identifying soccer talent starting at age 6 like in other countries? Until that happens we’ll never truly get there.
However we know it’s happening in baseball football and basketball. The challenge with soccer is that the talent has to be recognized and scouted at a much earlier age. Our society and culture is not used to that.
The big 3 American sports start scouting in junior high some but then mostly high school. For soccer players, that’s too late.
So do we have a nation wide scouting network identifying soccer talent starting at age 6 like in other countries? Until that happens we’ll never truly get there.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 3:54 pm to ScoopAndScore
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Where is the scouting structure? Are we truly canvassing the entire country for young talent? Maybe that’s happening but I do
Didn't Atlanta United sign a kid they saw kicking a ball around at a bus stop to their academy? The new academies in MLS are going to help us exponentially, though it won't be noticed right away at the senior level.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 4:05 pm to ScoopAndScore
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The big 3 American sports start scouting in junior high some but then mostly high school. For soccer players, that’s too late.
There’s no national body that does that, though. The people’s passion for those sports drives that scouting and development, and that does not exist here for soccer.
I think US Soccer should hyper-focus on two or three development academies. One organization can’t focus on this entire country, trying to fashion diamonds out of coal. It’s just too big and there are too few good coaches.
But one organization could focus exclusively on NYC kids and SoCal kids, making sure that every talented kid knows the opportunities provided by soccer and has available the best possible level of facilities and coaching.
There are 3 or 4 million kids between NYC and LA county. You’re telling me we couldn’t make 23 international players from that, if we focused on it?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 4:59 pm to uway
I'm 100% opposed to that.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 5:04 pm to uway
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There’s no national body that does that, though. The people’s passion for those sports drives that scouting and development, and that does not exist here for soccer.
I think US Soccer should hyper-focus on two or three development academies. One organization can’t focus on this entire country, trying to fashion diamonds out of coal. It’s just too big and there are too few good coaches.
But one organization could focus exclusively on NYC kids and SoCal kids, making sure that every talented kid knows the opportunities provided by soccer and has available the best possible level of facilities and coaching.
There are 3 or 4 million kids between NYC and LA county. You’re telling me we couldn’t make 23 international players from that, if we focused on it?
Anytime a federation tries a state-run national team, it fails spectacularly.
We even tried it in the early 80's.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 5:05 pm to uway
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I think US Soccer should hyper-focus on two or three development academies. One organization can’t focus on this entire country, trying to fashion diamonds out of coal. It’s just too big and there are too few good coaches.
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But one organization could focus exclusively on NYC kids and SoCal kids, making sure that every talented kid knows the opportunities provided by soccer and has available the best possible level of facilities and coaching. There are 3 or 4 million kids between NYC and LA county. You’re telling me we couldn’t make 23 international players from that, if we focused on it?
Agreed. My dream is that US Soccer gets a billionaire sugar daddy and we copy France's regional academy system. Even just maximizing our talent pool in NYC and Southern California would give us one hell of a national team.
But I think we're already starting to see the benefits of the growth of MLS academies and the change of USSF development standards in 2006. (For those unaware, after we crashed out in the 2006 World Cup, US Soccer revamped our development to be more in line with UEFA standards.)
For our lost generation of players (the 90s to 95s), MLS academies weren't really launched yet, the Development Academy initiative was in its infancy. The new development standards didn't kick in until it was too late. The lucky few elite prospects would be in the Bradenton residency program. Just not good enough to create a sustainable pipeline of talent, and that's a big part of why that generation flopped so hard.
Now when you look at our current U20 team, every one of those kids plays professionally, some at a high level for that age. No college players. Something like 18 of the 23 kids developed in MLS academies. We're figuring it out, and I think it'll continue to get better. FC Dallas used to be the only good MLS academy; now there are about 6 or 7 producing good prospects.
I think the 98s - 03s might prove to be the best generation of players we've ever had. Adams, Pulisic, and McKennie are already off to a great start, and I think they are the first of many. A lot of those kids will step into the national team over the next few years and force some of the "lost generation" guys out.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 5:24 pm to Michael Stein
Only three guys on the recent U20s were Bradenton kids
Posted on 6/18/19 at 5:48 pm to Broski
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Anytime a federation tries a state-run national team, it fails spectacularly.
Isn’t this kind of what France does?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:30 pm to McCaigBro69
Didn't realize it is a 9 pm kick time...
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:52 pm to pvilleguru
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Who's turning down Bundesliga contracts to go to college
Well Jordan Morris turned one down for a puppy. That's even worse.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:19 pm to BCLA
quote:Pretty sure he turned that down for MLS, not college.
Well Jordan Morris turned one down for a puppy. That's even worse.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:33 pm to cwil177
quote:The way I read the post, that was the point. We aren't relaying as heavily on JUST Bradenton to develop our future USMNT players.
Only three guys on the recent U20s were Bradenton kids
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:50 pm to uway
So no kids from the southeast even have a chance? That’s what’s totally wrong with US soccer.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:51 pm to ScoopAndScore
quote:What?
So no kids from the southeast even have a chance? That’s what’s totally wrong with US soccer.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:52 pm to pvilleguru
Limiting our talent pool to West coast and east coast. Someone suggested focus only on NYC and southern Cali.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:54 pm to ScoopAndScore
But that's not what US Soccer does. So why is that what's wrong with US Soccer?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:55 pm to pvilleguru
What is US soccer doing to scout talent across the country?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:57 pm to ScoopAndScore
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So no kids from the southeast even have a chance? That’s what’s totally wrong with US soccer.
There’s a few MLS academies in the Southeastern part of the US. I know Houston Dynamo has one in Lafayette.
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