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re: The way they determine offsides is killing the game

Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:35 am to
Posted by LSUGrad9295
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:35 am to
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Americans complain in unison all the time about rules they don’t like and how they wish the nfl would change it

Why soccer fans are so scared to even fricking discuss a rule change is odd to me


An American guy on Twitter who has a decent following and is kinda new to soccer politely suggested that the whole "added stoppage time" thing is a little silly, and asked why they dont just stop the clock during the hydration breaks, goal celebrations, and injuries and end the match at 90 minutes and he was absolutely DESTROYED by every non-American in the thread.

"You Americans need to leave soccer alone"
"Americans hate things they didnt invent"
"There is nothing wrong with it".
"You are trying to turn it into a 4 hour game like college football"

I thought the guy had a point...but the world minus the US is ok with the vague timekeeping.

Posted by Rebelinexile
Member since Oct 2021
272 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:36 am to
The referee on the field keeps the official time, not a timekeeper off the field. I guess one could synch the ref
with the scoreboard but then you would have fans complaining about the length of stoppages, etc…
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23360 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:57 am to
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Wait till American football fans hear about the line of scrimmage


Established by the referees after every single play so everyone knows where it is and lines up on it at the start of the next - a play cannot happen if the offense is offside. It is not established relative to another player during a live play, and whether it is actually a penalty depends on other actions.

If you are seriously trying to equate these two concepts, you should save your smug replies. It isn’t the same concept at all. The sports are completely different, primarily because football has defined possessions and set plays that begin at the LOS that is clearly marked and spotted by the ref. And even given that everyone knows about it, they aren’t using technology to see if someone’s toe or finger is on that line at the start of the play because it would make an immaterial difference.

The purpose of the penalty in soccer is to prevent an advantage. The equivalent in football would be not allowing a receiver to get past the defender (or second to last one) before the QB throws it. I suppose that could be an interesting concept and could potentially be just as fun to watch, but if the defense decided to sell out and bring the safety on a delayed rush, and there was a penalty on the receiver because of a toe being too far when the ball is thrown, even though his position hasn’t changed and still needs to beat his defender and complete the catch, it would seem excessively hard to score, and more importantly, points would come off the board….and to my point you responded to, people would be complaining. Just like people from Qatar, Iran, Colombia and others have been about certain WC plays.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23360 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:06 am to
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All these high and mighty football fans complaining about offsides when the NFL still doesn’t know what a catch is and then reviews a replay for 10 minutes to still get the call wrong


The comparison to football keeps being brought up by the soccer people. It’s a silly comparison to begin with.

And to your point, the over regulation in football has indeed had a negative impact on the game. I think that’s a fairly common sentiment. So I think a football fan can actually provide interesting insight in terms of regulation and its impact on the game, and you don’t need to reject their insight simply because you are cranky that you woke up early to watch a game played in Milan.
Posted by BDPops85
Member since Mar 2020
458 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:12 am to
Ill take them using technology to make tight offside calls over this any day

Posted by VADawg
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Member since Nov 2011
48713 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:16 am to
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asked why they dont just stop the clock during the hydration breaks, goal celebrations, and injuries


quote:

"You are trying to turn it into a 4 hour game like college football"


I mean, this is a fair point. TV execs will jam 5 minutes of commercials into every clock stoppage they can.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
994 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:14 pm to
You stated correctly offside in soccer is to prevent an advantage of an attacker getting ahead of the 2nd to last defender and worst case goal camping waiting for a pass.

In football offside is called to prevent a defender from getting an unfair advantage rushing the backfield.

The equivalent in football is defense offside or lining up in the neutral zone. And if anyone has watched any bit of football they have seen coaches challenge plays saying a players tip of their helmet is lined up in the neutral zone.

And soccer just like football you can be offside until the play is started. In football that means the ball is hiked. In soccer it means you have made an attempt to play the ball.
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 7:15 pm
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
38131 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:39 pm to
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I mean, this is a fair point. TV execs will jam 5 minutes of commercials into every clock stoppage they can.


I think he (and I) mean the running clock is fine--ONLY stop it for hydration and injury and require that TV not break away.
Posted by Bigbens42
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Member since Nov 2013
21285 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:27 am to
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Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings! Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!!!


And I love that you got that lol.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21873 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:13 am to
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Game would be a lot more popular in the States if the barely offsides weren't called so much.

Nope, I like the precision calls and not judgement calls.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
48713 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 7:41 am to
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I think he (and I) mean the running clock is fine--ONLY stop it for hydration and injury and require that TV not break away.


I'm pretty sure FIFA told Fox not to break away for commercial during the hydration breaks this year and Fox responded with this:

Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2782 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:07 am to
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Game would be a lot more popular in the States if the barely offsides weren't called so much.


Would not make one bit of difference at all. The only sports rule change in my lifetime that maybe affected the overall popularity of the game for people that weren't currently fans was the 3 pt line, and that's a maybe.

I'm a big fan of the MLB pitch clock rule which has made games better, but not sure even that will "make baseball more popular" overall.
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