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re: The Times-Picayune Article on Soccer/World Cup
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:58 am to Broski
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:58 am to Broski
That's not dumb. It's true.
If more athletes choose soccer, it logically follows that there will be overall better soccer players.
HOWEVER, they must receive the instruction and environment to reach their potential as players.
It's not either/or, it's both.
If more athletes choose soccer, it logically follows that there will be overall better soccer players.
HOWEVER, they must receive the instruction and environment to reach their potential as players.
It's not either/or, it's both.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:59 am to Broski
I don't see how it is done, you take a work class athlete and home his skill (like a Bush) and he could become a great soccer player. The issue like many have stated is that these kids don't have a facility for that and they lean towards other sports first.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:00 am to tduecen
Some people dont have the innate skills required to be elite, despite elite athleticism. That's all anyone is saying.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:01 am to tduecen
Also on college soccer - the collegiate soccer model would need to be greatly improved. They play 20 or so regular season matches. They need to play much more, and be able to do technical training far more than they are allowed to do so by the ncaa
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:02 am to Adam Banks
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Yes there are some skills that would individualize sports but elite athletes are elite athletes. They get to the elite level by having superior body control and skills. Their muscle memory is far superior.
i agree to an extent, but what we as americans consider "athletic" is anaerobic/explosive movements
soccer will never allow this as much b/c so much aerobic movement is necessary
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If you took Reggie bush or Westbrook and put them developing their soccer skills from childhood on then I guarantee they'd be elite soccer players. I think it's asinine to say otherwise.
just those 2? long shot
every super athletic guy? we'd produce some players eventually IF we changed our developmental system
our system actually favors the big/athletic style as kids, and it hurts our overall development. most elite countries actually play on very small fields as children to avoid relying on athleticism and to develop (1) better ball skills and (2) better tactics in traffic
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:03 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Some people dont have the innate skills required to be elite, despite elite athleticism. That's all anyone is saying.
So you're telling me that the Netherlands with less people than NYC has somehow through natural selection come up with far more innate soccer skill than the us? Just think about what you said for a second. It's asinine.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:03 am to Broski
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I don't think Russell Westbrook & Reggie Bush are any more athletic than Jozy Altidore and Fabian Johnson.
you're 100% wrong, here, especially if this is framed with how americans use the term "athletic"
they're both bigger, stronger, faster, and quicker than either jozy or fabian
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:04 am to Adam Banks
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So you're telling me that the Netherlands with less people than NYC has somehow through natural selection come up with far more innate soccer skill than the us? Just think about what you said for a second. It's asinine.
they have the best or 2nd best (uruguay) developmental system in the world. they revolutionized soccer development in the 70s
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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you're 100% wrong, here, especially if this is framed with how americans use the term "athletic"
How are you defining athlete? I think Jozy and Fab could play basketball or football if they set that goal from day 1.
ETA: My point is that the thought process that we suck at soccer because of athletic ability is 100% false.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:06 am to Adam Banks
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So you're telling me that the Netherlands with less people than NYC has somehow through natural selection come up with far more innate soccer skill than the us?
Yes. The Dutch know how to develop talent and we don't. How many times do we have to repeat this before you'll believe us?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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they have the best or 2nd best (uruguay) developmental system in the world. they revolutionized soccer development in the 70s
Which goes to my original and the articles point if our athletes focused their skills on soccer like the rest of the world then we'd be elite. Hell Juergen said so.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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they have the best or 2nd best (uruguay) developmental system in the world. they revolutionized soccer development in the 70s
I think France has the best, considering they produce players for not only France but for a lot of West and North African teams. And there is any model we should follow (national training centers located in each region) it is the French. But you are right in that Uruguay and the Netherlands produce a shite ton of great players relative to their size.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:10 am to Broski
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How are you defining athlete?
explosive movements
reggie bush and russ are 2 of the best athletes the entire world has produced in the past 10 years
reggie bush could never play soccer in that form, though. too much muscle (too much oxygen used)
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ETA: My point is that the thought process that we suck at soccer because of athletic ability is 100% false.
we're one of the more athletic teams in the world. i think we could improve that if our pool of players improved
it's not guys like reggie bush/russell westbrook
it's the backup point guards on 1AA/D2 basketball teams who have no pro prospects but are more explosive than 95% of soccer players. if we got a bigger pool of athletes from THOSE types of guys, we would improve overall
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:12 am to Adam Banks
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Which goes to my original and the articles point if our athletes focused their skills on soccer like the rest of the world then we'd be elite. Hell Juergen said so.
the point is the "athlete" part of it isn't needed (although i do believe we can have a super team in 20 years with our athletes). the main focus should be on skill/tactical training, like europe, and NOT focusing on athleticism/explosiveness like we do
once we have an established system of development, then we can recruit athletes to try and be brazil vol. 2
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:12 am to Adam Banks
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Which goes to my original and the articles point if our athletes focused their skills on soccer like the rest of the world then we'd be elite. Hell Juergen said so.
You don't realize that the European countries have shown us that soccer skill is an institutionalized effort. The best, most technical countries have the most coaches with top class badges. That's not a coincidence. We don't have the institutionalized structure to make the most of the talent we do have.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:15 am to crazy4lsu
What if mimicking what small (relative to the US) european countries do to develop talent is not the right way to do things in the USA? Our national culture is much different. Perhaps there is a slightly different way to do things here?
The component of having more and better coaching still needs to develop though.
The component of having more and better coaching still needs to develop though.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:16 am to Tiger Phil
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What if mimicking what small (relative to the US) european countries do to develop talent is not the right way to do things in the USA?
If that's the case, then there really isn't much more we can do for soccer in this country.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:20 am to Broski
I disagree with that.
I have been involved in club soccer in two different areas in Texas and have seen far too many coaches/teams focused on winning U-10 or U-12 games, and too many coaches who try and "joystick" players through games. We need to focus much more on technical development and nurturing players at these stages to develop their skills and their mind for soccer.
I have been involved in club soccer in two different areas in Texas and have seen far too many coaches/teams focused on winning U-10 or U-12 games, and too many coaches who try and "joystick" players through games. We need to focus much more on technical development and nurturing players at these stages to develop their skills and their mind for soccer.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:21 am to Tiger Phil
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We need to focus much more on technical development and nurturing players at these stages to develop their skills and their mind for soccer.
Of course.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:22 am to Tiger Phil
You seem confused. The Euro model is exactly what you describe re: technical skills.
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