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The Times-Picayune Article on Soccer/World Cup
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:08 am
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Eric Reid appears headed for a stellar NFL career, barring severe injury. The San Francisco 49ers safety and former LSU All-American had a Pro Bowl season as a rookie in 2013 and is already a key cog in one of the NFL's top defenses.
He's a highly driven world class athlete with an off-the-charts work ethic instilled by his parents as he grew up near Baton Rouge. He's what helps make the NFL the best sports league on the planet.
And he's an example of why soccer in the United States hasn't become a world power.
Reid played soccer as a youth, said he enjoyed participating in it, played on travel teams and, by all accounts, was pretty good. His family encouraged it and his younger brother, Ryan, plays soccer at Maryland, one of the nation's top collegiate programs.
But when Eric Reid was 15, he decided to focus on American football, eschewing soccer.
"I enjoyed (soccer) a lot,'' Reid said. "I think I grew out of it. A little bit too much running for my body type. That's why I kind of switched over to football. I still enjoy watching it. I've been paying attention to the World Cup.''
Reid's dalliance with soccer is much like America's. Collectively, we Americans like soccer, like it a lot. But darling, we just don't love you.
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But to say this will be the event that sends soccer in the U.S. soaring to new heights would be ludicrous. Americans enjoy watching worldwide sports events in which we're taking part, for example, the Olympics.
We're rooting for the flag more than the sport. Bet the majority of those U.S. viewers couldn't name three players on the American squad.
And though 24.7 million is a healthy number, the U.S.-Portugal match would have been only the 35th most watched sporting event in the U.S. in 2013. By comparison, 111 million viewers tuned in for the Super Bowl in February and 26 million to watch the BCS National Championship between Florida State and Auburn.
Data suggests that soccer in the U.S. has made tremendous gains since the World Cup was staged here in 1994. But it remains well behind the Big Three, football, basketball and baseball. In fact, when it comes to television ratings in 2013 soccer was behind those three, NASCAR, the NHL, college football and basketball, men's golf, even the Kentucky Derby.
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The problem comes at the high school and college level, where the U.S. grooms its best and brightest athletes to play at the highest level.
Those athletes gravitate to the big three. Soccer is at a distinct disadvantage at that level.
College soccer is a stepchild of the NCAA. Universities that have varsity soccer at the Division I level can give out only 9.9 scholarships compared to 85 for football and 13 for men's basketball, which, of course, has a much smaller roster.
Of the five NCAA power conferences - the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 - and Notre Dame, only 25 schools offer men's soccer at the varsity level.
In the mighty SEC, only South Carolina and Kentucky play varsity soccer. And because the SEC doesn't have men's soccer, those two schools must compete in Conference USA.
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Baseball faces a similar dilemma to soccer at the collegiate level. But Major League Baseball takes care of the developmental stage of its future stars in its well-financed and carefully managed minor league system that has been around for more than 100 years.
That's what U.S. soccer lacks and what it must change to catch the rest of the world. It does have the Premier Developmental League. But it doesn't have the resources of the NCAA or Major League Baseball to help draw in top American athletes.
Though popular at the rec level, soccer has a bit of country club sport feel to it in America. Its presence in the inner city is minimal. How many pickup soccer games do you see there?
According to one survey, 33.8 percent of rec level soccer players come from households making more than $100,000 per year. In football, 34.8 percent of its players come from households that make less than $35,000.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:11 am to tduecen
While I find Title IX terribly flawed, It's probably a good thing that there are so few NCAA men's soccer programs.
Like Jurgen said back in 2010, the way America develops young soccer players is backwards because it's all based on achieving a college scholarship which is not how it's done anywhere else in the world.
Like Jurgen said back in 2010, the way America develops young soccer players is backwards because it's all based on achieving a college scholarship which is not how it's done anywhere else in the world.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:12 am to tduecen
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But when Eric Reid was 15, he decided to focus on American football, eschewing soccer.
he was never going to come close to professional soccer if he was 15 and not already in some developmental program
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:15 am to Broski
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While I find Title IX terribly flawed, It's probably a good thing that there are so few NCAA men's soccer programs.
exactly. that's pure ignorance on the part of the writer
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Baseball faces a similar dilemma to soccer at the collegiate level. But Major League Baseball takes care of the developmental stage of its future stars in its well-financed and carefully managed minor league system that has been around for more than 100 years.
That's what U.S. soccer lacks and what it must change to catch the rest of the world. It does have the Premier Developmental League. But it doesn't have the resources of the NCAA or Major League Baseball to help draw in top American athletes.
this is EXACTLY what is happening with all of the MLS academies that are sprouting up. it's just going to take some time
and if our players are good enough, european teams will pick them for their academies, like beniesta
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Does soccer benefit more from more American born players with foreign parents? Seems watching the game every player is American born with at least 1 parent of foreign descent
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:23 am to tduecen
We benefit from our players learning abroad because our system of developing players is backwards.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:23 am to tduecen
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Does soccer benefit more from more American born players with foreign parents?
Very much so.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Academies have been around for a while, a buddy of mine played for the DC U developmental squad back in 02-03, traveled to Europe, played in the Dallas Cup, etc.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:25 am to tduecen
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Does soccer benefit more from more American born players with foreign parents?
I would imagine those kids are instilled with a love and passion for the game from birth... probably gives them more of a desire to play this sport as opposed to others. Obviously, it doesn't guarantee success..
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:25 am to SM6
A lot of MLS teams are just getting their academies started.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:27 am to tduecen
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Seems watching the game every player is American born with at least 1 parent of foreign descent
i think only 6/23 have this. only 5/23 were born outside the US, and the 6th was born in mobile but raised in iceland by his icelandic parents. most major international squads have "foreign" players
germany, for instance, has 2 turks who start
the greatest french player of all time is from algeria (iirc)
spain's #1 striker is a brazillian
holland used to raid its former carribean territories for players in the 90s
england would play its great players from other UK territories, if those players would accept
this isn't an american thing
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:27 am to pvilleguru
Well they incorporate the same system used for baseball, basketball, etc.....
Like tennis/golf the best and brightest are known by 16, you don't see very many players going from average to phenomenon like in other sports at age 18-24.
Like tennis/golf the best and brightest are known by 16, you don't see very many players going from average to phenomenon like in other sports at age 18-24.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Not saying it is, just watching so far it seems to get pointed out that the players have a parent from a foreign country. It is like Olympics, and even how baseball is doing their international tournament. A player can declare for a country if a parent or grandparent has a link to that country.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:30 am to tduecen
quote:Yes, and that system is worse than what is being used by other soccer powers.
Well they incorporate the same system used for baseball, basketball, etc.....
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:31 am to tduecen
i think both systems have followed FIFA's lead in how you can choose. baseball is the most lenient b/c very few developed countries (outside of japan and the US) play baseball
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think only 6/23 have this
Green (German mom)
Chandler (German mom)
Johnson (German mom)
Jones (German mom)
Brooks (German mom)
Johannsson (Icelandic parents)
Mix (Norwegian dad)
Gonzalez (Mexican parents)
Jozy (Haitian parents)
Bedoya (Columbian dad)
Rimando (Filipino dad, Mexican mom)
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:36 am to Broski
I know many of the arguments on MSB hasn't touched up on cost but the article does. For a poor family soccer doesn't seem to have an appeal much like baseball in the US. It may be cost of the sport but in other undeveloped countries baseball/soccer are two of bigger sports (soccer being biggest)
May be way American kids see NBA/NFL players getting these big contracts while soccer/MLB kids don't really until they've proved themselves.
May be way American kids see NBA/NFL players getting these big contracts while soccer/MLB kids don't really until they've proved themselves.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:39 am to tduecen
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I know many of the arguments on MSB hasn't touched up on cost but the article does. For a poor family soccer doesn't seem to have an appeal much like baseball in the US. It may be cost of the sport but in other undeveloped countries baseball/soccer are two of bigger sports (soccer being biggest)
May be way American kids see NBA/NFL players getting these big contracts while soccer/MLB kids don't really until they've proved themselves.
This is a big part of it, too. In other countries, if a club values a kid enough, they'll bring him in. In America, not just soccer, most youth development programs require a shite ton of money just to get the kids in.
Here is something Jurgen said during the 2010 World Cup when he was working for ESPN as part of their coverage in South Africa (He wouldn't become the coach for another year).
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:42 am to tduecen
I love how data can be skewed. Yes, the US/Portugal game might have been the 35th most watched sporting event if it was during 2013, but (at a minimum) the top 25-30 sporting events were NFL. Maybe all 34 spots. Also, looking at the Nielsen Top Ten most watched single telecasts for 2013 included the Superbowl Kickoff, Superbowl Delay, and the Superbowl PST game. Nine of the top ten were Football related. And seriously, the US/Portugal game only drew 1.6 mil less than The BCS Championship game. For a sport only watched by "hipsters" and "immigrants", that is pretty impressive.
Additionally, the writer states that soccer draws less of an overall TV rating than almost all of the other major broadcast sports. No factors source data to back that up. Does it include MLS ratings? EPL? Both? Mexican league? I would love to see the ratings for MLB or NBA if their games started at 7AM on a Saturday, and had all three broadcast games finish by 2PM.
This is a rabble piece designed to reassure its readers to stay calm, all is well, and that the talk about soccer in America will die out in less than a month. Must of not wanted to write a piece about the dangers of college Quiddich.
Additionally, the writer states that soccer draws less of an overall TV rating than almost all of the other major broadcast sports. No factors source data to back that up. Does it include MLS ratings? EPL? Both? Mexican league? I would love to see the ratings for MLB or NBA if their games started at 7AM on a Saturday, and had all three broadcast games finish by 2PM.
This is a rabble piece designed to reassure its readers to stay calm, all is well, and that the talk about soccer in America will die out in less than a month. Must of not wanted to write a piece about the dangers of college Quiddich.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:53 am to McVick
Typical, "Old-School" American, hate soccer, sports journalism. It's old and played out.
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